Originally Posted by simpdog
The "inside" info that was given to me has not yet been revealed. As a matter of fact, those guys have yet to post itt. I think now that everyone already sees that Jasep is a thief, they don't seem to feel it necessary to speak up. It was something of a similar nature to the BAP scam. The only thing that that info told me was that Jasep was a guy who was willing to steal. If you add that to his original shady BAP rules, I thought it far more likely than not that he was scamming, and he was.
The only regular that I think might not have posted here is BCR.
It's not BCR, and maybe "regular" wasn't the right choice of words. What's strange is I don't even know them. But it really doesn't even matter. Nothing they told me would change anybody's mind one way or another after everything that has already been posted.
The only regular that I think might not have posted here is BCR.
It's not BCR, and maybe "regular" wasn't the right choice of words. What's strange is I don't even know them. But it really doesn't even matter. Nothing they told me would change anybody's mind one way or another after everything that has already been posted.
So the info you received has nothing to do with the BAP however it is info that would lead you to believe he was shady? Interesting. Too bad they hadn't alerted you to this before this whole thing started although there is about a zero percent chance anyone would have believed you. Why would they choose you?
No idea. I've tried multiple times to convince them to come forward, especially now seeing that everyone knows Jasep is a thief. All I can assume is that I'm sure they have their reasons.
So the info you received has nothing to do with the BAP however it is info that would lead you to believe he was shady? Interesting. Too bad they hadn't alerted you to this before this whole thing started although there is about a zero percent chance anyone would have believed you. Why would they choose you?
Sandwich, I received info today that said you had left $139 in the poker room. I have a question, when you donated that to 22q, did you use the link on VPR or did you do it at he 22q site? This info will help track the money.This is not accurate. After the ironman podcast and some correspondence with Jasep where I told him I would prefer to donate directly (and get the appropriate tax receipts), I cashed out $139 from the room and Jasep sent it to me via paypal.
That doesn't explain the other missing thousands, but for the sake of trying to help identify the correct amount of missing money I figured I'd disclose that.
Joe
I thought this and trying to read between the lines, it seems you are hiding some ones identity for some reason they should be thanked for what they told you...... What ever that is?The "inside" info that was given to me has not yet been revealed. As a matter of fact, those guys have yet to post itt. I think now that everyone already sees that Jasep is a thief, they don't seem to feel it necessary to speak up. It was something of a similar nature to the BAP scam. The only thing that that info told me was that Jasep was a guy who was willing to steal. If you add that to his original shady BAP rules, I thought it far more likely than not that he was scamming, and he was.
They also couldent have chosen a better person to start the raping, I guess cmoney was first.....the captain always gets in first.< hmmmm
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all hail Hydra
Originally Posted by DanDruff:Since I'm a 6'2" Republican with an average-sized nose and a last name which doesn't end with "stein", "man", or "berg", I can hide among the goyim and remain undetected unless I open my mouth about money matters.
Joe,
If I understand your question, the 139 was not donated -- it was cashed out. The original deposits with which rake was paid, etc., was all done through a link on VPR which I believe was linked to Jasep's paypal.
Upload it somewhere (or just give me the URL) and I will post it on the PFA User Shows iTunes channel.Gawd RSS is fucked, next weekend we got an Ace in the hole to fix everything
I think a few other people know about it. I wasn't the first person they told. I think the others were just scared to speak up and be wrong because Jasep was so well liked. Obviously I didn't care because I have never liked him and they had seen me question him at an earlier point. I think they would have preferred someone who isn't known for mainly being a troll, but the others either weren't convinced Jasep was actually doing something wrong or simply didn't wanna get involved. Cmoney's post was the turning point in this thread. When he posted what he did, that's when people really started to consider something may actually be wrong.I thought this and trying to read between the lines, it seems you are hiding some ones identity for some reason they should be thanked for what they told you...... What ever that is?
They also couldent have chosen a better person to start the raping, I guess cmoney was first.....the captain always gets in first.
I normally don't post, but god damn Anal_Hershiser is god.
There was a link on VPR that went directly to 22q. It was in conjunction with the podcast. If you used that one, then it wen directly to 22q. Any other donation link on the website probably went right to Johnny.Joe,
If I understand your question, the 139 was not donated -- it was cashed out. The original deposits with which rake was paid, etc., was all done through a link on VPR which I believe was linked to Jasep's paypal.
Joe
This is very interesting how long after the show went off air did the donate button stay available also the lol type pay per view may have brought in a few bucks????There was a link on VPR that went directly to 22q. It was in conjunction with the podcast. If you used that one, then it wen directly to 22q. Any other donation link on the website probably went right to Johnny.
Joe
all hail Hydra
Originally Posted by DanDruff:Since I'm a 6'2" Republican with an average-sized nose and a last name which doesn't end with "stein", "man", or "berg", I can hide among the goyim and remain undetected unless I open my mouth about money matters.
I need to clarify something here.
I keep seeing people blame Brandon for this, and that's really bothering me.
Brandon is not deserving of any blame in this situation.
Some are asking, "Why didn't Brandon alert Druff to this situation a long time ago?"
He actually did. So did Chinamaniac.
However, the information they had back then was FAR less than what we have today.
Right when PROJEKT:SEP started (December 8), both China and Brandon explained their concerns to me.
Their concerns at the time involved the following factors:
1) Jasep's cell phone number seemed to be rapidly changing, and his reasoning behind it (he broke his iPhone) did not seem to make sense.
2) Jasep gave up his own place and claimed he moved in with his girlfriend.
3) Jasep was being evasive regarding transferring control of VPR's finances to Chinamaiac.
We spoke about this on the phone, and concluded that Jasep was likely broke. We felt that he had to give up his place because he could no longer afford it, and maybe even sold his iPhone and got some cheapo phone in order to save money.
However, he had already admitted to basically being broke in both the original post of this thread, as well as his own radio show. PROJEKT:SEP seemed to be a last-ditch attempt at building a bankroll, basically starting from nothing. We thought all of the investors understood that, so we didn't see the value of humiliating Jasep with revealing the fact that he was so broke that he had to give up his place and his phone. And again, we didn't have proof of this. Jasep claimed that his phone was simply in the process of being replaced, and that he moved in with his girlfriend because their relationship had progressed to more serious. If we had publicly accused him of being flat broke, he could have easily made excuses that we wouldn't have been able to disprove, and we would have looked like assholes.
Regarding VPR, again that was a red flag, but they did not have any proof that he had done anything wrong. Until it became VERY clear that he was intentionally dodging visibility into the finances, Brandon and China would have looked like assholes accusing him of anything. Indeed, he did most of the work on VPR, so it wasn't outrageous to believe he would have taken control of the finances, even if that wasn't the original agreement.
We all agreed that we simply did not have enough evidence to make such grave accusations against him, and that quietly investigating it behind the scenes was the better play. All of the "gotcha" evidence came to light very recently. That's what led us to come forward with what we knew.
Furthermore, it appeared that the money was already collected. If it was a scam, the money was likely gone. If it was not a scam, it would still be there. There didn't seem to be much in between. We did not know at the time about the "double selling", which didn't seem possible because everyone knew who had bought pieces (or so we thought). This also contributed to our decision to keep quiet until we had conclusive evidence that we could feel comfortable presenting. Remember, these were serious allegations that would likely damage his name forever, so we didn't want to take public accusations lightly.
So please do not blame Brandon for this. It was a joint decision to investigate quietly and wait until we really had the proper amount of evidence to come forward and accuse him of being a scammer.
At the time PROJEKT:SEP started, we did NOT know any of the following:
- That Jasep had an identity theft conviction where the mother of his daughter was the victim
- That there was any reason to believe he had ripped off the 22Q foundation
- That he had double-sold any shares
- That the VPR server was $4.95/month and being reported as $120/month
- That he he was secretly trying to sell VPR behind the scenes
- That he would react with such panic when someone would attempt to come watch him play
- That his prior "restaurant ownership" appears to be simply working at his brother's restaurnts
- That he had been surviving off of borrowing from friends like Tim Byrd for quite some time
These are all things that came out recently.
In hindsight, it is easy to say, "You should have said something earlier" (knowing now that he was guilty), but that decision was much tougher when it was just a moderate suspicion based on very circumstantial evidence.
Finally, what about Brandon's $600? Should he have mentioned that it was simply passing a debt into shares? Perhaps, but this is the sort of thing you only think about after-the-fact. I guarantee that Brandon was not trying to cover anything up or freeroll off of other people's cash. He just figured it was an automatic that, if Jasep transfers debt into BAP shares, Brandon can take credit for having $600 in BAP shares. Brandon never vouched for this BAP or encouraged people to invest in it. His investment in it should not automatically be considered an endorsement. Furthermore, having $4400 in cash and $5000 in cash is basically the same thing in a BAP like this. It's not like it made a major difference in the amount of money he had to play with. Also, since its likely he barely played at all, but rather stole all of the money, this likely had zero impact on the final result.
I hope that the blame against people other than Jasep can end, and we can move on trying to track him down and force him to deal with this situation.
It was a week or two. It didn't immediately come down because he went to the Borgata right after the podcast.This is very interesting how long after the show went off air did the donate button stay available also the lol type pay per view may have brought in a few bucks????
Joe
Druff I agree with your post (more now than I did originally)....
EXCEPT for the people who got screwed buying shares when Jasep re-released shares since some people were canceling. Had the info came out sooner you could have saved some money there.
Also note quit writing defensive posts, it comes off as you having some guilt
I only wrote the above post because I keep seeing people blame Brandon, as if he kept me and everyone else in the dark, and I wanted to let everyone know that wasn't true.
That Jewdonk wannabe!
Assuming that phone number is long DD.
Also, still pointed to that $4.95/month server!
Also I thought Johnny worked in the restaurant biz prior to poker?
Verizon...come on man!
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