Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
keep going dummy, it's all being recorded
keep going dummy, it's all being recorded
keep going dummy, it's all being recorded
Only a matter of time. I can't wait!
I guarantee I'm in better shape than most of you fat dumb Americans.
I'm in the best shape of my life......almost zero fat......high cardio, bike and treadmill combined with proper eating.....no fast food
When I left for rehab in Feb, 11 I had reached 190 lbs., the most I had ever weighed. The month in rehab certainly helped but when I got home I lost another 10-15 pounds
I've weighed as little as `165 through reduced calorie consumption and biking. Being 6'1" I realized i was getting too thin. No problem easy to correct that. Just add beer.
Fuck you all
This is insanely long. But insanely important for Mike to read thoroughly. This advice if followed will eventually save Mike. I spent a lot of time on this simply because I waste a lot of time on Mike in bits and pieces. I will never waste any more time on Mike again. It is sad situation, and it must end. I'll never read a single post he makes or make fun of him ever again. I am going to stop trolling and do the right thing, because the solution is so fucking obvious. Mike please read thoroughly. Post once when you do. ONCE MIKE. I don't read your repetitive blabber. I don't shoot over to your next thought with you, I scroll down like everyone else. The only exception to you being ignored are people that read your multiple post sessions purely troll your manic, worthless thoughts.
In response to Azzclown, Mike is not stupid. He is a bi-polar methhead drug addict. There is no way he will be able to keep a job there are anywhere else until he is properly treated. Your moronic inlaw is like a fucking fortune 500 company CEO compared to Mike's value to the North Dakota labor force.
When someone has a mental illness and a drug problem at the same time, getting treatment is very hard. it really is the biggest challenge in the mental health profession. There is no way to treat the mental illness whatsoever until all drugs and alcohol use cease. the vicious circle is that the mental illness is almost always responsible for the drug use in the first place. We don't recognize that in our society enough. Most crackheads we know from our hometowns or whatever, the drug is almost always blamed for their demise. However, the reality is that the drug abuse started as a method of coping with their mentall illness. Its not the drug, its the person. Most recreational drug users can handle their drug just fine. But the most fucked up people simply can't. There are plenty of exceptions like meth for instance, but people don't just start off with meth anyway so the point is moot. Meth users can rarely function recreationally as their drug of choice simply fucks up their sleep schedule too much too be productive members of society, even recreationally. But you don't just jump into that out of the blue.
Bottom line:
It's not the drug's fault, taking away all his drugs won't fix Mike. That's why he and his family have failed. There has to be a two stage comprehensive approach to Mike's problem.
1. He must quit all drugs and alcohol with the understanding and intent that the next step will be then treating his mental illness.
2. He must fully and religiously follow all the necessary treatment that will be suggested by medical professionals. He will need to see a MD Psychiatrist AND a PhD Psychologist at the same time to be properly treated. His issues are that complex.
He will have to follow all suggest treatments to the letter. Sometimes one drug might not work at first but work later. Typical excuses to not fully follow advice with prescription treatment to the bitter end is: A. Its not working. B. The side effects of drug X are too bad and C. This drug worked great I'm better now. I don't need to do the psychotherapy stuff with that psychologist anymore. I feel great! I don't need this medicine. Guys like Mike do just that. They don't understand that the doctor is trying a comprehensive solution with many facets. They become their own doctor. They think they are too smart. Mike is exactly that guy. I'm certain he has dabbled in both mental health care as well as tried prescription medicine and has probably even quit drugs many times. But he has never done it with the full understanding of what is going on. He has never once understood that that his mental health path is not determines by him at all, but by a doctor. His job is only to follow the advice to the letter, take his medicine, make all his appointments, and simply report any issues to the doctor honestly and thoroughly. Then let the doc decide. People like Mike have a hard time doing what they are told. They don't know that some drugs take a long time to be fully effective. They don't know that the doctor may want to switch drugs around simply to test certain reactions, not necessarily to provide immediate relief to the symptoms of their disease. Lithium for instance can take a year before the proper levels are in your blood and working. people like Mike fail because they don't understand that some drug treatments have a much higher chance of working concurrently with other types of treatments. treatments that seem silly, but are not.
Mental health care in this country gets a bad rap. Especially pharmaceutical treatment. It is largely unfair. Because something like 85% of the people on them do not fully follow their treatment advice. The treatment fails not because drugs don't work or that they have bad side effects, the treatments fail because the patient is not intelligent enough to understand that the doctor is 10 steps ahead of them and is attempting a comprehensive solution that must be followed. the doctor will know when it is not effective and switch. But sadly, too many patients try this on their own. They adjust the level of medicine based on how "they feel" at a small sample size of time, instead of following the goddamn doctor's recommendations.
Then they lie about it. They lie to their friends, family, doctor, and themselves. Studies show that people that complain of an ineffective treatment are lying 90% of the time about whether they truly followed all recommendations. They blame the drug, instead of themselves. They blame the "stupid doctor". They blame things in their personal life. But I'm telling you when someone tells me they tried so and so drug and it didn't work. I know they are almost certainly full of shit. That isn't the whole story. Studies have shown that the biggest single problem is the length of time they follow the regiment of pharm treatment. They simply give up too soon. This is the exact same problem with dieters. The diets will work, longterm. But fat people want quick results. They build up 100 extra pounds over ten years but want a diet that takes off 100lbs in three months. They declare the diet a failure sometimes in weeks! That's fucking insane. Almost all diets would work if they were followed for a year. All of them.
Human nature in weak individuals basically causes similar results in both dieting for fat people and in treatment for the mentally ill: FAILURE. Fat people stay fat. The mentally ill stay mentally ill.
GOOD NEWS FOR MIKE
The good news for Mike is that he has shown the ability and discipline to maintain a strict diet. This is a difficult and commendable achievement. If he applies this same discipline to mental health treatment, he will eventually be successful. Like he would have a 90-95% chance of success. This is not a exaggeration. There is a treatment out there for Mike. There is some combo of drugs and psychotherapy that will work. He just has to fail a few times to find it. He must follow the treatment. To the bitter end. Or it will be the end of Mike.
The way many people get clean is to go to prison. Why? Not because they "learned their lesson" as commonly offered, nor is it because they "wanted to turn it around" more than they did before prison. It is because it is difficult to maintain an addiction in prison. They break that addiction there. Then and only then are they able to get treatment. They must break the addiction first. No mental health treatment will work with drug use. Ever. That is where most people fail. They don't fully quit. Remember, even slight deviations from the treatment fuck it up. The doctor simply cannot determine what is working and what isn't. He often is not told about the weekend binge his patient went on, and thus every bit of advice after that is bad medical advice. But not because the doctor is at fault. Its trhe patient like Mike again believing that a little coke, meth or especially alcohol didn't really effect his treatment. They have no biological understanding at just how severe a depressant like alcohol effects mental health progress. Even just one night of birthday drinking can cause a shift in effectiveness so severe that the doc might get someone off a drug that may have been successful and on a new one that has a much lower chance of success. What is so sad is that the correct and life altering "magic" treatment or drug might never be tried again. The alcohol use of even one night can completely fuck up everything your doctor and you had tried so hard to achieve. It actually would have been better if there was no treatment at all in the first place.
I can't stress this enough:
1. Mike must have a plan to get better with specific steps and a full understanding of the value and utter longterm effectiveness of comprehensive treatment, along with fully accepting 100% responsibility for treatment failures in the past.
It must include the knowledge that he has never fully followed any treatment 100% and that a treatment plan followed religiously will eventually work. Whether it is two months or 5 years, it will work. He has to understand that. He has to understand that nothing worked in the past because he never followed a treatment plan for long enough. This is the key, he must recognize that it will never be Mike that decides his treatment has been successful or not, it is his doctor. He must be honest with himself and everyone around him if he fucks up even slightly, even one time. But most importantly he must be honest with his doctor. People hate telling their doctor about their "one little fuckup" but that always snowballs to the point where the patient finally stops seeing the doctor entirely. This is because noone likes explaining to their doctor that not only have they been lying for a few weeks, but that the lies have gotten grander and grander. So grand that now the doc will know, so they just stop going. He must understand this and more to form a successful plan of action.
2. Mike must quit all drugs and alcohol. period.
3. Now sober, it is time to execute Mike's mental health plan. First step he must see a Psychiatrist, who can prescribe drugs along with other treatments.
4. Next he must follow ALL advice religiously. Obviously he must make every appointment. This includes never ever having even one sip of alcohol. This is guaranteed to lead to failure for a guy like Mike. This is the step where most people fail. They fail because they didn't recognize just how important every single step the doctor suggested is. Not only what they say to do, but what not to do.
There is no other step. He must continue to follow his advice and make his appointments forever. The doc will say when. I know plenty of people who are done with treatment and medicine. All these people had the doctor stop the treatment. I know this because the ones that stopped on their own, failed. People still believe that doctors would continue treatment to make money off appointments. Like somehow one out of hundred's of patients money makes a shit difference to a doctor. It would be like a restaurant owner altering his menu for one customer. It ain't happening. Sadly, this is the number one reason people who actually are having a successful treatment stop. They think they are doing well and that further appointments are unnecessary and expensive. The truth is nothing is MORE expensive than stopping your treatment early.
Mike if you ever had treatment, it has clearly failed. And only one person stopped that treatment. You. Whatever your reason, excuse or rationalization is, I know you stopped that treatment. The doctor sure as hell didn't. You did. This is your fault. You need to take whatever reason you stopped and realize that reason is your single biggest enemy. That excuse has ruined your life. That rationalization has led to you be basically having conversations with gay men about being a gay male prostitute or not. You say you are not one, but the fact that it has even been discussed tells you exactly where that excuse has gotten you in life. Do you think that any of us have even discussed, been offered or considered sucking dicks for drugs Mike? No. Noone has ever asked me if I would suck a dick. Ever. Why? Because of where I am in life. Where are you Mike? You are at the bottom of society. The ground floor. There is noone truly lower than you. Yet you spend your time giving others advice. Your advice is worthless even if it was the best in the world. Why? Because you are so low on the social ladder noone gives a shit what you think. If you recommended Burger King, i would go to Wendy's. You are utter trash. You are garbage. You are worthless. You need to accept this right now so you can improve and eventually make all those statements untrue. You can do this Mike. But you got to HATE all the excuses of your past. I don't want to hear them/ i don't want a fucking story about. Just realize you failed at treatment and it was 100% your fault.
The only exception to your words being useless is your knowledge on fitness. Ironically this ability to adhere to fitness may save you. You need to realize that the fitness of your mind is far more important than the fitness of your body. Your weak mind will eventually destroy your healthy body. It is doing it now already.
Lastly, know that your hero Scooter is in the exact same predicament as you. He will end up in the same place as you: dead or in jail. He is certainly "too smart" to fully adhere to a doctor's treatment. A doctor he believes (likely correctly) has a lower IQ,so he "outthinks him". problem is, he never went to medical school. He never interned at a psych hospital nor followed a successful psychiatrist around for 2 years to learn the trade. No matter how smart he thinks he is, he simply hasn't put in the years of being a doctor to be an effective one for himself. Even if he was a MD, he would make a bad doctor for himself. But as smart as he is, by not following treatments, he shows how stupid anyone can be. And Mike Scooter is 100 times smarter than you. If he can't be a doctor for himself, why the fuck do you think you can? Even he needs to follow advice to the absolute letter. For a long time. That is just not possible for a guy like Scooter. So in conclusion, you have a much better shot of living a happy, normal life than Scooter. But your chances decrease every day that passes in which you don't start following the advice i gave you. Are you in or what Mike?
Good luck Mike. Let me know when you have a plan. I will read it, and I may even help you in finding/paying for a doctor. Once you are truly sober.
Last edited by GAMBLE-BOT; 11-01-2012 at 08:52 PM.
This is insanely long. But insanely important for Mike to read thoroughly. This advice if followed will eventually save Mike. I spent a lot of time on this simply because I waste a lot of time on Mike in bits and pieces. I will never waste any more time on Mike again. It is sad situation, and it must end. I'll never read a single post he makes or make fun of him ever again. I am going to stop trolling and do the right thing, because the solution is so fucking obvious. Mike please read thoroughly. Post once when you do. ONCE MIKE. If you don't I'll have someone link this to you.
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Shut up you huge loser........Dump your family, dump your children........you are insecure and a huge loser.....
Nobody believes one word that comes out of your semen encrusted lips. "Proper Eating"? You just posted a pic of refried beans and cheap salsa. Surely the meal of a fit man. You're a habitual liar, and a weak willed drug addict. When does you NEXT stint in rehab start? What about the one after that? Pathetic. Suicide might be your best bet. Seriously consider it.
We are not that far apart......if you would like to meet up, let me know and I will travel to you or meet you in your backyard or in a intermediate site.I lived in Victoria for several years and have visited the Peninsula once. Olympia is not that far.....I have no obligations, re: work as I am independently wealthy, I ca actually afford a few days in jail.....Can you say the same? Would your wife feel comfortable with you missing for a while? You're choice loudmouth
I give my full permission to tape all encounters between us to be broadcast where and whenever.
Nobody believes one word that comes out of your semen encrusted lips. "Proper Eating"? You just posted a pic of refried beans and cheap salsa. Surely the meal of a fit man. You're a habitual liar, and a weak willed drug addict. When does you NEXT stint in rehab start? What about the one after that? Pathetic. Suicide might be your best bet. Seriously consider it.
I'm very serious about this, I will travel to Olympia if you would like. I'm about 3-5 hours away
It's in your park now.....what do you say?
Last edited by limitles; 11-01-2012 at 08:52 PM.
I am flat out going.
Few things occurred to me-
#1 The fact both my mom and aunt both hate the idea tells me GOGOGOGO
#2 Sonatine can be a prick, at times, but it's never been in question he only dishes out solid life advice. For me, he's given me bits and pieces here and there and then given up (time and again) and I can only surmise that at this point, I need to make something of what's being given to me.
#3 Dave (rummy) is literally so spot on about everything he says about me, it's scary most of the time. He was telling me something I couldn't get my mind around, but makes sense now- I am a child. I am literally a fucking baby, not even a grown man, and I KNOW it, the thing is I wasn't able to put my finger on why precisely.
Now I know, I'm still my mothers fucking child. Gross!
My aunt is warming to the idea, as long as I have a plan, so I'll be in touch. I plan to get the fuck outta dodge within a week or so, not sure if I need to work first to put away cash or if my aunt will loan me (she's capable, it's on me to sell her on the idea it's not a losing proposition)
I swear on my life today was a fucking breaking point, I broke inside watching my now 52 year old mother wandering around with me place to place, paying for everything, and I know in my heart she loves me to DEATH and I am literally preventing her from getting old with grace and stature.
I gotta make it on my own, if not for me nor for Skatz, for my mother no doubt.
What the fuck don't you understand about azzclown that you think he's going to meet up with you? He TROLLS, it's what he does best, it's normally what he is doing when he's online. Granted, he's a cut above most trolls and is actually smart and wins arguments, regardless, trolls troll and their best and most powerful weapon is always YOU CAN'T FIRE SHELLS BACK BECAUSE YOU KNOW FUCK ALL ABOUT THEM.We are not that far apart......if you would like to meet up, let me know and I will travel to you or meet you in your backyard or in a intermediate site.
I'm very serious about this, I will travel to Olympia if you would like. I'm about 3-5 hours away
Stop doing...whatever the fuck it is that you're doing (hitting on him? I can't tell) please, it's irritating.
Setting yourself up for failure until you fix yourself. You are literally trying to drive in a race without any wheels.
Negs for presuming a LOT about the posters here and their conditions because of where they live
Negs for bragging about being "in the best shape of your life" when you're like 19
Negs for believing bodyfat has fuck all to do with the kind of shape you are in
Negs for thinking the fucking bike and treadmill amount to cardio
Negs for once again talking about rehab (no one cares)
Negs for telling us how little you fucking weighed when no one asked
Negs for just shut the fuck up about the human body, you've got NO idea what you are talking about.
Btw, for edification, I changed my tune on the spot the minute I realized SONATINE CAN KICK MY ASS. It removed any and all doubt that he's got me out gunned on every angle- more intelligent, more money, more career, more beard, more karate the list goes on. I always felt a little braver thinking if we met IRL he'd shy away and I would HAVE MY DAY, but such is not the case.
Learn from me youngster, you are way the fuck out of your league, and be thankful Tine is 99% bored and playful and almost NEVER truly bent out of shape- he can ruin you if he so wishes.
Mike has had no less than 10 of these exact same propositions, and hasn't acted or shown any genuine interest in any of them. At least for not more than a few quick and random posts. The first thing that he needs to do is admit that HE is the reason he is in this mess. Not his mom. Not his stepdad. Not a HS teacher. Him. He refuses to do that. Personal Responsibility is what he needs. But he's played a victim for so long, he is beyond help.This is insanely long. But insanely important for Mike to read thoroughly. This advice if followed will eventually save Mike. I spent a lot of time on this simply because I waste a lot of time on Mike in bits and pieces. I will never waste any more time on Mike again. It is sad situation, and it must end. I'll never read a single post he makes or make fun of him ever again. I am going to stop trolling and do the right thing, because the solution is so fucking obvious. Mike please read thoroughly. Post once when you do. ONCE MIKE. If you don't I'll have someone link this to you.
In response to Azzclown, Mike is not stupid. He is a bi-polar methhead drug addict. There is no way he will be able to keep a job there are anywhere else until he is properly treated. Your moronic inlaw is like a fucking fortune 500 company CEO compared to Mike's value to the North Dakota labor force.
When someone has a mental illness and a drug problem at the same time, getting treatment is very hard. it really is the biggest challenge in the mental health profession. There is no way to treat the mental illness whatsoever until all drugs and alcohol use cease. the vicious circle is that the mental illness is almost always responsible for the drug use in the first place. We don't recognize that in our society enough. Most crackheads we know from our hometowns or whatever, the drug is almost always blamed for their demise. However, the reality is that the drug abuse started as a method of coping with their mentall illness. Its not the drug, its the person. Most recreational drug users can handle their drug just fine. But the most fucked up people simply can't. There are plenty of exceptions like meth for instance, but people don't just start off with meth anyway so the point is moot. Meth users can rarely function recreationally as their drug of choice simply fucks up their sleep schedule too much too be productive members of society, even recreationally. But you don't just jump into that out of the blue.
Bottom line:
It's not the drug's fault, taking away all his drugs won't fix Mike. That's why he and his family have failed. There has to be a two stage comprehensive approach to Mike's problem.
1. He must quit all drugs and alcohol with the understanding and intent that the next step will be then treating his mental illness.
2. He must fully and religiously follow all the necessary treatment that will be suggested by medical professionals. He will need to see a MD Psychiatrist AND a PhD Psychologist at the same time to be properly treated. His issues are that complex.
He will have to follow all suggest treatments to the letter. Sometimes one drug might not work at first but work later. Typical excuses to not fully follow advice with prescription treatment to the bitter end is: A. Its not working. B. The side effects of drug X are too bad and C. This drug worked great I'm better now. I don't need to do the psychotherapy stuff with that psychologist anymore. I feel great! I don't need this medicine. Guys like Mike do just that. They don't understand that the doctor is trying a comprehensive solution with many facets. They become their own doctor. They think they are too smart. Mike is exactly that guy. I'm certain he has dabbled in both mental health care as well as tried prescription medicine and has probably even quit drugs many times. But he has never done it with the full understanding of what is going on. He has never once understood that that his mental health path is not determines by him at all, but by a doctor. His job is only to follow the advice to the letter, take his medicine, make all his appointments, and simply report any issues to the doctor honestly and thoroughly. Then let the doc decide. People like Mike have a hard time doing what they are told. They don't know that some drugs take a long time to be fully effective. They don't know that the doctor may want to switch drugs around simply to test certain reactions, not necessarily to provide immediate relief to the symptoms of their disease. Lithium for instance can take a year before the proper levels are in your blood and working. people like Mike fail because they don't understand that some drug treatments have a much higher chance of working concurrently with other types of treatments. treatments that seem silly, but are not.
Mental health care in this country gets a bad rap. Especially pharmaceutical treatment. It is largely unfair. Because something like 85% of the people on them do not fully follow their treatment advice. The treatment fails not because drugs don't work or that they have bad side effects, the treatments fail because the patient is not intelligent enough to understand that the doctor is 10 steps ahead of them and is attempting a comprehensive solution that must be followed. the doctor will know when it is not effective and switch. But sadly, too many patients try this on their own. They adjust the level of medicine based on how "they feel" at a small sample size of time, instead of following the goddamn doctor's recommendations.
Then they lie about it. They lie to their friends, family, doctor, and themselves. Studies show that people that complain of an ineffective treatment are lying 90% of the time about whether they truly followed all recommendations. They blame the drug, instead of themselves. They blame the "stupid doctor". They blame things in their personal life. But I'm telling you when someone tells me they tried so and so drug and it didn't work. I know they are almost certainly full of shit. That isn't the whole story. Studies have shown that the biggest single problem is the length of time they follow the regiment of pharm treatment. They simply give up too soon. This is the exact same problem with dieters. The diets will work, longterm. But fat people want quick results. They build up 100 extra pounds over ten years but want a diet that takes off 100lbs in three months. They declare the diet a failure sometimes in weeks! That's fucking insane. Almost all diets would work if they were followed for a year. All of them.
Human nature in weak individuals basically causes similar results in both dieting for fat people and in treatment for the mentally ill: FAILURE. Fat people stay fat. The mentally ill stay mentally ill.
GOOD NEWS FOR MIKE
The good news for Mike is that he has shown the ability and discipline to maintain a strict diet. This is a difficult and commendable achievement. If he applies this same discipline to mental health treatment, he will eventually be successful. Like he would have a 90-95% chance of success. This is not a exaggeration. There is a treatment out there for Mike. There is some combo of drugs and psychotherapy that will work. He just has to fail a few times to find it. He must follow the treatment. To the bitter end. Or it will be the end of Mike.
The way many people get clean is to go to prison. Why? Not because they "learned their lesson" as commonly offered, nor is it because they "wanted to turn it around" more than they did before prison. It is because it is difficult to maintain an addiction in prison. They break that addiction there. Then and only then are they able to get treatment. They must break the addiction first. No mental health treatment will work with drug use. Ever. That is where most people fail. They don't fully quit. Remember, even slight deviations from the treatment fuck it up. The doctor simply cannot determine what is working and what isn't. He often is not told about the weekend binge his patient went on, and thus every bit of advice after that is bad medical advice. But not because the doctor is at fault. Its trhe patient like Mike again believing that a little coke, meth or especially alcohol didn't really effect his treatment. They have no biological understanding at just how severe a depressant like alcohol effects mental health progress. Even just one night of birthday drinking can cause a shift in effectiveness so severe that the doc might get someone off a drug that may have been successful and on a new one that has a much lower chance of success. What is so sad is that the correct and life altering "magic" treatment or drug might never be tried again. The alcohol use of even one night can completely fuck up everything your doctor and you had tried so hard to achieve. It actually would have been better if there was no treatment at all in the first place.
I can't stress this enough:
1. Mike must have a plan to get better with specific steps and a full understanding of the value and utter longterm effectiveness of comprehensive treatment, along with fully accepting 100% responsibility for treatment failures in the past.
It must include the knowledge that he has never fully followed any treatment 100% and that a treatment plan followed religiously will eventually work. Whether it is two months or 5 years, it will work. He has to understand that. He has to understand that nothing worked in the past because he never followed a treatment plan for long enough. This is the key, he must recognize that it will never be Mike that decides his treatment has been successful or not, it is his doctor. He must be honest with himself and everyone around him if he fucks up even slightly, even one time. But most importantly he must be honest with his doctor. People hate telling their doctor about their "one little fuckup" but that always snowballs to the point where the patient finally stops seeing the doctor entirely. This is because noone likes explaining to their doctor that not only have they been lying for a few weeks, but that the lies have gotten grander and grander. So grand that now the doc will know, so they just stop going. He must understand this and more to form a successful plan of action.
2. Mike must quit all drugs and alcohol. period.
3. Now sober, it is time to execute Mike's mental health plan. First step he must see a Psychiatrist, who can prescribe drugs along with other treatments.
4. Next he must follow ALL advice religiously. Obviously he must make every appointment. This includes never ever having even one sip of alcohol. This is guaranteed to lead to failure for a guy like Mike. This is the step where most people fail. They fail because they didn't recognize just how important every single step the doctor suggested is. Not only what they say to do, but what not to do.
There is no other step. He must continue to follow his advice and make his appointments forever. The doc will say when. I know plenty of people who are done with treatment and medicine. All these people had the doctor stop the treatment. I know this because the ones that stopped on their own, failed. People still believe that doctors would continue treatment to make money off appointments. Like somehow one out of hundred's of patients money makes a shit difference to a doctor. It would be like a restaurant owner altering his menu for one customer. It ain't happening. Sadly, this is the number one reason people who actually are having a successful treatment stop. They think they are doing well and that further appointments are unnecessary and expensive. The truth is nothing is MORE expensive than stopping your treatment early.
Mike if you ever had treatment, it has clearly failed. And only one person stopped that treatment. You. Whatever your reason, excuse or rationalization is, I know you stopped that treatment. The doctor sure as hell didn't. You did. This is your fault. You need to take whatever reason you stopped and realize that reason is your single biggest enemy. That excuse has ruined your life. That rationalization has led to you be basically having conversations with gay men about being a gay male prostitute or not. You say you are not one, but the fact that it has even been discussed tells you exactly where that excuse has gotten you in life. Do you think that any of us have even discussed, been offered or considered sucking dicks for drugs Mike? No. Noone has ever asked me if I would suck a dick. Ever. Why? Because of where I am in life. Where are you Mike? You are at the bottom of society. The ground floor. There is noone truly lower than you. Yet you spend your time giving others advice. Your advice is worthless even if it was the best in the world. Why? Because you are so low on the social ladder noone gives a shit what you think. If you recommended Burger King, i would go to Wendy's. You are utter trash. You are garbage. You are worthless. You need to accept this right now so you can improve and eventually make all those statements untrue. You can do this Mike. But you got to HATE all the excuses of your past. I don't want to hear them/ i don't want a fucking story about. Just realize you failed at treatment and it was 100% your fault.
The only exception to your words being useless is your knowledge on fitness. Ironically this ability to adhere to fitness may save you. You need to realize that the fitness of your mind is far more important than the fitness of your body. Your weak mind will eventually destroy your healthy body. It is doing it now already.
Lastly, know that your hero Scooter is in the exact same predicament as you. He will end up in the same place as you: dead or in jail. He is certainly "too smart" to fully adhere to a doctor's treatment. A doctor he believes (likely correctly) has a lower IQ,so he "outthinks him". problem is, he never went to medical school. He never interned at a psych hospital nor followed a successful psychiatrist around for 2 years to learn the trade. No matter how smart he thinks he is, he simply hasn't put in the years of being a doctor to be an effective one for himself. Even if he was a MD, he would make a bad doctor for himself. But as smart as he is, by not following treatments, he shows how stupid anyone can be. And Mike Scooter is 100 times smarter than you. If he can't be a doctor for himself, why the fuck do you think you can? Even he needs to follow advice to the absolute letter. For a long time. That is just not possible for a guy like Scooter. So in conclusion, you have a much better shot of living a happy, normal life than Scooter. But your chances decrease every day that passes in which you don't start following the advice i gave you. Are you in or what Mike?
Good luck Mike. Let me know when you have a plan. I will read it, and I may even help you in finding/paying for a doctor. Once you are truly sober.
When you do end it Mike, leave the innocent people alone. You fucked up your life. Not them.
Reading your post now, I am sure it's spot on (you rarely get serious, but are amazing when you do)
Setting yourself up for failure until you fix yourself. You are literally trying to drive in a race without any wheels.
You want some advice. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND FUCKING DO IT. All you have ever done is talk. That's why no one believes a word you say.
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Shut your mouth azzhole....you are nothing.....period.....no brain, no sense of humour,.....drop dead you fast food worker
You start to make threats like this, you better be serious. I already told you here I live. When you get here, lemme know. I'd love to "welcome" you to the area. You gonna come? Or are you gonna keep talking like a bitch hiding out at mommy's place. Would you have to get permission from your shrink? Mommy? A dr's note to make sure your liver will hold up? All things to consider for such a small boy who should probably make sure his mommy says its ok. Did you get mommy's blessing yet?We are not that far apart......if you would like to meet up, let me know and I will travel to you or meet you in your backyard or in a intermediate site.
I'm very serious about this, I will travel to Olympia if you would like. I'm about 3-5 hours away
It's in your park now.....what do you say?
Ok, I'm very serious....I can take a ferry from Victoria to Port Angeles.......From there all I know is Olympia.....you steer me the rest of the way and we'll see what happens.....I'm coming alone, I expect the same from you.
To be honest, I would like to meet you at a bar......We can drink our asses off and If it leads to trouble so be it. What do you say to that.
btw you're crap talk makes me laugh......I want a face to face meeting...over few beers.......whatever happens from that point forward is simply history
btw, no weapons on my part........fists and knees......nothing else
why I mention one to one is i have been at the low side of a group encounter.......there is no win there. I spent 3 days in hospital because I tried to take on a guy and his buddies.......not good. I am not dirty,I would not hurt someone I had dominated, but I know there are those who do.
so If I put myself out there physically I am at risk
Last edited by limitles; 11-01-2012 at 09:20 PM.
I need to devote more time to a response here, but suffice to say Yes, I have sought treatment, yes I have been honest with my PCP's, nothing has ever come close to working and the doctors I have seen have never come close to caring. To be honest I squandered the time I had covered by good medical insurance, I didn't want to get clean, I did try to self doctor. However, the times I did seek help, I was pushed around department to department (each with a fucking $30 copay, I think it's a scam of some kind- took SIX visits to Kaiser just to see a psychiatrist) and with a 1-2 week gap between EVERY appointment time got away from me.This is insanely long. But insanely important for Mike to read thoroughly. This advice if followed will eventually save Mike. I spent a lot of time on this simply because I waste a lot of time on Mike in bits and pieces. I will never waste any more time on Mike again. It is sad situation, and it must end. I'll never read a single post he makes or make fun of him ever again. I am going to stop trolling and do the right thing, because the solution is so fucking obvious. Mike please read thoroughly. Post once when you do. ONCE MIKE. I don't read your repetitive blabber. I don't shoot over to your next thought with you, I scroll down like everyone else. The only exception to you being ignored are people that read your multiple post sessions purely troll your manic, worthless thoughts.
In response to Azzclown, Mike is not stupid. He is a bi-polar methhead drug addict. There is no way he will be able to keep a job there are anywhere else until he is properly treated. Your moronic inlaw is like a fucking fortune 500 company CEO compared to Mike's value to the North Dakota labor force.
When someone has a mental illness and a drug problem at the same time, getting treatment is very hard. it really is the biggest challenge in the mental health profession. There is no way to treat the mental illness whatsoever until all drugs and alcohol use cease. the vicious circle is that the mental illness is almost always responsible for the drug use in the first place. We don't recognize that in our society enough. Most crackheads we know from our hometowns or whatever, the drug is almost always blamed for their demise. However, the reality is that the drug abuse started as a method of coping with their mentall illness. Its not the drug, its the person. Most recreational drug users can handle their drug just fine. But the most fucked up people simply can't. There are plenty of exceptions like meth for instance, but people don't just start off with meth anyway so the point is moot. Meth users can rarely function recreationally as their drug of choice simply fucks up their sleep schedule too much too be productive members of society, even recreationally. But you don't just jump into that out of the blue.
Bottom line:
It's not the drug's fault, taking away all his drugs won't fix Mike. That's why he and his family have failed. There has to be a two stage comprehensive approach to Mike's problem.
1. He must quit all drugs and alcohol with the understanding and intent that the next step will be then treating his mental illness.
2. He must fully and religiously follow all the necessary treatment that will be suggested by medical professionals. He will need to see a MD Psychiatrist AND a PhD Psychologist at the same time to be properly treated. His issues are that complex.
He will have to follow all suggest treatments to the letter. Sometimes one drug might not work at first but work later. Typical excuses to not fully follow advice with prescription treatment to the bitter end is: A. Its not working. B. The side effects of drug X are too bad and C. This drug worked great I'm better now. I don't need to do the psychotherapy stuff with that psychologist anymore. I feel great! I don't need this medicine. Guys like Mike do just that. They don't understand that the doctor is trying a comprehensive solution with many facets. They become their own doctor. They think they are too smart. Mike is exactly that guy. I'm certain he has dabbled in both mental health care as well as tried prescription medicine and has probably even quit drugs many times. But he has never done it with the full understanding of what is going on. He has never once understood that that his mental health path is not determines by him at all, but by a doctor. His job is only to follow the advice to the letter, take his medicine, make all his appointments, and simply report any issues to the doctor honestly and thoroughly. Then let the doc decide. People like Mike have a hard time doing what they are told. They don't know that some drugs take a long time to be fully effective. They don't know that the doctor may want to switch drugs around simply to test certain reactions, not necessarily to provide immediate relief to the symptoms of their disease. Lithium for instance can take a year before the proper levels are in your blood and working. people like Mike fail because they don't understand that some drug treatments have a much higher chance of working concurrently with other types of treatments. treatments that seem silly, but are not.
Mental health care in this country gets a bad rap. Especially pharmaceutical treatment. It is largely unfair. Because something like 85% of the people on them do not fully follow their treatment advice. The treatment fails not because drugs don't work or that they have bad side effects, the treatments fail because the patient is not intelligent enough to understand that the doctor is 10 steps ahead of them and is attempting a comprehensive solution that must be followed. the doctor will know when it is not effective and switch. But sadly, too many patients try this on their own. They adjust the level of medicine based on how "they feel" at a small sample size of time, instead of following the goddamn doctor's recommendations.
Then they lie about it. They lie to their friends, family, doctor, and themselves. Studies show that people that complain of an ineffective treatment are lying 90% of the time about whether they truly followed all recommendations. They blame the drug, instead of themselves. They blame the "stupid doctor". They blame things in their personal life. But I'm telling you when someone tells me they tried so and so drug and it didn't work. I know they are almost certainly full of shit. That isn't the whole story. Studies have shown that the biggest single problem is the length of time they follow the regiment of pharm treatment. They simply give up too soon. This is the exact same problem with dieters. The diets will work, longterm. But fat people want quick results. They build up 100 extra pounds over ten years but want a diet that takes off 100lbs in three months. They declare the diet a failure sometimes in weeks! That's fucking insane. Almost all diets would work if they were followed for a year. All of them.
Human nature in weak individuals basically causes similar results in both dieting for fat people and in treatment for the mentally ill: FAILURE. Fat people stay fat. The mentally ill stay mentally ill.
GOOD NEWS FOR MIKE
The good news for Mike is that he has shown the ability and discipline to maintain a strict diet. This is a difficult and commendable achievement. If he applies this same discipline to mental health treatment, he will eventually be successful. Like he would have a 90-95% chance of success. This is not a exaggeration. There is a treatment out there for Mike. There is some combo of drugs and psychotherapy that will work. He just has to fail a few times to find it. He must follow the treatment. To the bitter end. Or it will be the end of Mike.
The way many people get clean is to go to prison. Why? Not because they "learned their lesson" as commonly offered, nor is it because they "wanted to turn it around" more than they did before prison. It is because it is difficult to maintain an addiction in prison. They break that addiction there. Then and only then are they able to get treatment. They must break the addiction first. No mental health treatment will work with drug use. Ever. That is where most people fail. They don't fully quit. Remember, even slight deviations from the treatment fuck it up. The doctor simply cannot determine what is working and what isn't. He often is not told about the weekend binge his patient went on, and thus every bit of advice after that is bad medical advice. But not because the doctor is at fault. Its trhe patient like Mike again believing that a little coke, meth or especially alcohol didn't really effect his treatment. They have no biological understanding at just how severe a depressant like alcohol effects mental health progress. Even just one night of birthday drinking can cause a shift in effectiveness so severe that the doc might get someone off a drug that may have been successful and on a new one that has a much lower chance of success. What is so sad is that the correct and life altering "magic" treatment or drug might never be tried again. The alcohol use of even one night can completely fuck up everything your doctor and you had tried so hard to achieve. It actually would have been better if there was no treatment at all in the first place.
I can't stress this enough:
1. Mike must have a plan to get better with specific steps and a full understanding of the value and utter longterm effectiveness of comprehensive treatment, along with fully accepting 100% responsibility for treatment failures in the past.
It must include the knowledge that he has never fully followed any treatment 100% and that a treatment plan followed religiously will eventually work. Whether it is two months or 5 years, it will work. He has to understand that. He has to understand that nothing worked in the past because he never followed a treatment plan for long enough. This is the key, he must recognize that it will never be Mike that decides his treatment has been successful or not, it is his doctor. He must be honest with himself and everyone around him if he fucks up even slightly, even one time. But most importantly he must be honest with his doctor. People hate telling their doctor about their "one little fuckup" but that always snowballs to the point where the patient finally stops seeing the doctor entirely. This is because noone likes explaining to their doctor that not only have they been lying for a few weeks, but that the lies have gotten grander and grander. So grand that now the doc will know, so they just stop going. He must understand this and more to form a successful plan of action.
2. Mike must quit all drugs and alcohol. period.
3. Now sober, it is time to execute Mike's mental health plan. First step he must see a Psychiatrist, who can prescribe drugs along with other treatments.
4. Next he must follow ALL advice religiously. Obviously he must make every appointment. This includes never ever having even one sip of alcohol. This is guaranteed to lead to failure for a guy like Mike. This is the step where most people fail. They fail because they didn't recognize just how important every single step the doctor suggested is. Not only what they say to do, but what not to do.
There is no other step. He must continue to follow his advice and make his appointments forever. The doc will say when. I know plenty of people who are done with treatment and medicine. All these people had the doctor stop the treatment. I know this because the ones that stopped on their own, failed. People still believe that doctors would continue treatment to make money off appointments. Like somehow one out of hundred's of patients money makes a shit difference to a doctor. It would be like a restaurant owner altering his menu for one customer. It ain't happening. Sadly, this is the number one reason people who actually are having a successful treatment stop. They think they are doing well and that further appointments are unnecessary and expensive. The truth is nothing is MORE expensive than stopping your treatment early.
Mike if you ever had treatment, it has clearly failed. And only one person stopped that treatment. You. Whatever your reason, excuse or rationalization is, I know you stopped that treatment. The doctor sure as hell didn't. You did. This is your fault. You need to take whatever reason you stopped and realize that reason is your single biggest enemy. That excuse has ruined your life. That rationalization has led to you be basically having conversations with gay men about being a gay male prostitute or not. You say you are not one, but the fact that it has even been discussed tells you exactly where that excuse has gotten you in life. Do you think that any of us have even discussed, been offered or considered sucking dicks for drugs Mike? No. Noone has ever asked me if I would suck a dick. Ever. Why? Because of where I am in life. Where are you Mike? You are at the bottom of society. The ground floor. There is noone truly lower than you. Yet you spend your time giving others advice. Your advice is worthless even if it was the best in the world. Why? Because you are so low on the social ladder noone gives a shit what you think. If you recommended Burger King, i would go to Wendy's. You are utter trash. You are garbage. You are worthless. You need to accept this right now so you can improve and eventually make all those statements untrue. You can do this Mike. But you got to HATE all the excuses of your past. I don't want to hear them/ i don't want a fucking story about. Just realize you failed at treatment and it was 100% your fault.
The only exception to your words being useless is your knowledge on fitness. Ironically this ability to adhere to fitness may save you. You need to realize that the fitness of your mind is far more important than the fitness of your body. Your weak mind will eventually destroy your healthy body. It is doing it now already.
Lastly, know that your hero Scooter is in the exact same predicament as you. He will end up in the same place as you: dead or in jail. He is certainly "too smart" to fully adhere to a doctor's treatment. A doctor he believes (likely correctly) has a lower IQ,so he "outthinks him". problem is, he never went to medical school. He never interned at a psych hospital nor followed a successful psychiatrist around for 2 years to learn the trade. No matter how smart he thinks he is, he simply hasn't put in the years of being a doctor to be an effective one for himself. Even if he was a MD, he would make a bad doctor for himself. But as smart as he is, by not following treatments, he shows how stupid anyone can be. And Mike Scooter is 100 times smarter than you. If he can't be a doctor for himself, why the fuck do you think you can? Even he needs to follow advice to the absolute letter. For a long time. That is just not possible for a guy like Scooter. So in conclusion, you have a much better shot of living a happy, normal life than Scooter. But your chances decrease every day that passes in which you don't start following the advice i gave you. Are you in or what Mike?
Good luck Mike. Let me know when you have a plan. I will read it, and I may even help you in finding/paying for a doctor. Once you are truly sober.
The only thing that has ever kept me on the straight and narrow has been bodybuilding. I don't cheat on my diet, don't use (or need) narcotics, my depression is at bay. I have to bodybuild to be sober, there is no other way that I can see.
I have tried to obtain help/therapy recently, which i have gone at length about here and elsewhere, and my experience sucked- I need more intensive therapy than low cost clinics can provide, yet can't afford better. I do not qualify for medi-cal (denied for age and no children) I do not qualify for medi-care or even social security. The professional help I need is a pipe dream at this point...If I can't get out to north dakota, I foresee myself spending the next couple years scrounging for dollars to buy my medicine and ending up dead or in jail.
Yes, I absolutely agree I need to work with professionals and yes I would absolutely follow their program to the letter, in fact it was this dream that I would receive treatment that gave me the strength to ride my mountain bike some 10 miles with nails digging into my ass with torn jeans and a full blown manic breakdown that was causing massive hallucinations. I was over an hour late, but I fucking got to where I was supposed to be, saw my therapist, and soon after they denied me stating my dissociative complex is too severe for them to handle. Go find help is what the help told me...
I am up a creek right now and not looking for sympathy. I dug my own grave wasting precious years and resources because I was in LOVE with narcotics. There was never a decision to stay using or get clean, it was never an internal debate, the pull for drugs in me is as strong if not stronger as the sexual drive of a teenager. Each and every single fucking day...
The closest I have come to actual therapy was at kaiser, saw a psych he listened to me for 10 minutes (after SIX WEEKS of being bounced around and missing work and forking over $30 copays TEN MINUTES was all I got) and he quickly diagnosed me type 2 bi-polar wrote a script for lamictal and said come back in SIX FUCKING MONTHS. Don't fucking sit here judging me Gamble, I am far from lazy and at one time I was more determined than anyone you've ever met. Time and time and time again nothing goes right, the people who are supposed to care don't, the elusive "treatment" I wish I could find ends up not existing, I keep getting older and drugs have more and more of a pull on me...
Appreciate the perspective you gave me, I didn't realize being poor invalidates everything I say. That's nice, I'll remember that.
Really? You can't find a map that will take you from Port Angeles to Olympia? I have to steer you? Do I need to wipe your ass for you the first time you shit here also?
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-...ed=0CCsQ-A8wAA
Done. Lemme know when you hit I5 North.
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