Direction of the forum -- how should I handle free speech in the 2020s?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

I may be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure that if you take care of the first part, the trolling/shitposting complaints, you will drastically reduce the 2nd type of complaint, the fighting, n-bomb cesspool part. They are not entirely separate complaints, just different sides of the same coin for the most part.

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The problem is that "taking care" of trolling/shitposting isn't easy, unless I want to remake the forum to being much more restrictive.

That's not to say I can't clamp down somewhat on the worst offenders, but I'm really more of a believer in setting realistic rules and expectations for everyone, rather than subjectively defining trolling/shitposting on the fly.

When people ask me at the 2021 WSOP, "Why are you allowing the n-bomb to be freely posted on your site?", the answer of, "Well, I banned dwai for trolling and shitposting, so that's progress, right?" won't exactly cut it.

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Druff, why don’t you at least TRY using an automatic-bad-word-replacement mod so that when a post is made containing any of those offending words/labels, they are replaced with emojis or gifs or something. Here’s one that could a candidate replacement GIF for a slur that someone-self-identified-dwai often uses.

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The problem is that "taking care" of trolling/shitposting isn't easy, unless I want to remake the forum to being much more restrictive.

That's not to say I can't clamp down somewhat on the worst offenders, but I'm really more of a believer in setting realistic rules and expectations for everyone, rather than subjectively defining trolling/shitposting on the fly.

When people ask me at the 2021 WSOP, "Why are you allowing the n-bomb to be freely posted on your site?", the answer of, "Well, I banned dwai for trolling and shitposting, so that's progress, right?" won't exactly cut it.

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Druff, why don’t you at least TRY using an automatic-bad-word-replacement mod so that when a post is made containing any of those offending words/labels, they are replaced with emojis or gifs or something. Here’s one that could a candidate replacement GIF for a slur that someone-self-identified-dwai often uses.

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shut up you horrible old faggot

Testing: Shit Piss Fuck Cunt Cocksucker Mother fucker Tits

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Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker

Testing: Shit Piss Fuck Cunt Cocksucker Mother fucker Tits

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Exactly, unless you get paid by the click, this is the shit that needs handling.
this was this AM. It would be one thing if he added anything to any thread, but all he does is
"shitposting and constant flaming"

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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet

The problem isn't the bigoted stuff. The problem is shitposting and constant flaming. It just so happens that shitposters tend to be more likely bigoted as well. I came back a few months ago and slowly realized realized that the most popular threads here were nearly unreadable because of the same 3-4 posters flooding the thread with crap that takes zero effort. I'm not sure if i just notice it more because i was away for so long. Many of them fall into the category of trump supporters or extreme left. They often seem to be attention seeking and just post total crap which has little value. But we do have posters on each side that can actually have a decent debate. Problem is they are completely drowned out and don;t see why anyone would bother trying to be part of such threads. The coronavirus thread has started to turn into this as well now. They've been allowed to ruin the forum and honestly I don't know what you do given how long its been going on for.

Won't bother naming who those posters are but pretty sure druff can pinpoint 90% of them and it only takes about as much effort as they out into their posts (not the quantity).

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Originally Posted by JimmyG_415

Exactly, unless you get paid by the click, this is the shit that needs handling.
this was this AM. It would be one thing if he added anything to any thread, but all he does is
"shitposting and constant flaming"

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Originally Posted by BetCheckBet

The problem isn't the bigoted stuff. The problem is shitposting and constant flaming. It just so happens that shitposters tend to be more likely bigoted as well. I came back a few months ago and slowly realized realized that the most popular threads here were nearly unreadable because of the same 3-4 posters flooding the thread with crap that takes zero effort. I'm not sure if i just notice it more because i was away for so long. Many of them fall into the category of trump supporters or extreme left. They often seem to be attention seeking and just post total crap which has little value. But we do have posters on each side that can actually have a decent debate. Problem is they are completely drowned out and don;t see why anyone would bother trying to be part of such threads. The coronavirus thread has started to turn into this as well now. They've been allowed to ruin the forum and honestly I don't know what you do given how long its been going on for.

Won't bother naming who those posters are but pretty sure druff can pinpoint 90% of them and it only takes about as much effort as they out into their posts (not the quantity).

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lol coming from a literal parody account, get fucked faggot

literally all you do is orange man bad every thread, jump off a cliff dweeb or hang yourself

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boy this pity party really died when Druff stood up to liberal fascism and refused to cave to their outrageous demands

the simple solution to this is that pfa needs a toddler forum

forum to be names TODGERS TODDLERS

either that or you finally start delivering on the youtube shoot videos you promised us years ago todge

regarding the actual point of this thread, could you not just make a script to change all the naughty words that you don't want benji reading into nice words like you did in the past when you banned a certain morton carricilos last name

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Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS

regarding the actual point of this thread, could you not just make a script to change all the naughty words that you don't want benji reading into nice words like you did in the past when you banned a certain morton carricilos last name

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Yes but how would he get a 15-page thread out of that

RIGHT IN HIS ASIAN MALE FACE

plz define:

"gratuitous bigoted speech"

if "gay" is included in this when not referring to a happy person we know you're not serious about removing it.

that word is like pepsi for you.

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Originally Posted by Belly Buster

Some home truths coming out here. Given that racial and homophobic slurs are off limits, I’m just going to stick with calling people cunts.

There’s a special place in hell waiting for cunts like Srslysirius, What the fuck does this guy bring to this site? All he’s done is whinge about everything the past few years while at the same time setting up a splinter site and trying steer the userbase towards it. Exact same playbook he does with his DNegs bashing vids, holier-than-thou sanctimonious shit that handicapme pointed out.

This is the cunt that flounces off the site like a big crybaby saying he’s done, and yet proceeds to post under dupe accounts. Shits all over the site with an automated troll bot while no doubt pissing himself laughing at his brilliance. If you don’t like it here Mr Srslysirius, how about you just fuck off once and for all and take your troll bot with you to your lol safe space. Don’t give us the sanctimonious shit about trying to better the site when you contribute nothing until it suits you.

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Originally Posted by Jayjami

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

I have had uncomfortable conversations about PFA with people in the poker community, and I usually avoid mentioning it in polite company.

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Understandable when you post stuff this this:
https://i.imgur.com/mIg0FUS.gif

BTW, 99% of the “poker community” has never even heard of PFA.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJOU8rlKMBA

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The problem is that "taking care" of trolling/shitposting isn't easy, unless I want to remake the forum to being much more restrictive.

That's not to say I can't clamp down somewhat on the worst offenders, but I'm really more of a believer in setting realistic rules and expectations for everyone, rather than subjectively defining trolling/shitposting on the fly.

When people ask me at the 2021 WSOP, "Why are you allowing the n-bomb to be freely posted on your site?", the answer of, "Well, I banned dwai for trolling and shitposting, so that's progress, right?" won't exactly cut it.

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'this might be the lunesta talking but i'm legit bothered bu the fact that you deleted my substantive debate points in the coronavirus thread when you never delete anything here

i think my posts, fps_russia's and limitles's posts were the only ones you've ever deleted

i'm in a super-elite class of poster there

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I never deleted your posts alone. I sometimes will delete a series of posts by numerous people if it's way off topic and hijacking a thread.

I've never once thought, "This blake post sucks, I'm deleting it"

The shit posting is the real issue imo. If someone is racist and wants to talk about it, whatever. If someone is only posting to try and piss people off or derail - give them the boot.

All this is from last couple days in this very thread and it's not even all of the shit posts:

 

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by sonatine

the problem isnt disgusting, bigoted comments. the problem is disgusting bigoted people. this site is a living example of broken window theory. you can tell people they cant say 'n-word' or 'kike' or 'faggot' but thats not going to stop them from calmly expressing how badly they want fauci to die or how all lives matter or how antifa are spraying children with vaccines developed by gates to turn the fucking frogs gay etc etc. if its an awful toxic take thats trending on twitters botnets, 100 times out of 100 i know ill see it pop up here by nightfall.

and we all know theres nothing at all that will ever be done to address this because at the end of the day you absolutely agree with the core political beliefs most of these people subscribe to.


under His eye,

sonatine.

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you are awful, go back to your safe space faggot

never ever have i seen such a hysterical woman point of view, all lives don't matter? antifa are literally burning down cities, fauci is a cock sucker, get over yourself fat boy

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

Maybe think about doing something with dwai, too. The vast, overwhelming amount of his posts are just calling people names after they make a post about something else. He never adds anything worthwhile to any discussion, and he never intends to, either. He is the clearest example for why this board is trash, and is seen as trash by outsiders, for the most part.

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cry more faggot, sorry you're not pfa's #1 poster anymore, maybe time to retire bitch boy

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Originally Posted by dwai

lol look at all these leftist loon fascists we have here trying to silence any opposing view points

Sad!

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by lol wow

So was going to get a haircut yesterday my barbershop out of business literally what the fuck

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thanks Fauci!

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

Almost literally, every single post of dwai's is just like this one. Slurs and name calling. But "free speech," right? Even tho he never says anything of substance, at all, really.

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what a smug bastard you are, truly faggot

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by limitles

I am post restricted for shit posting. In the cold light of the day I agree with the decision.
None of my shit posts were racist. Restricting hate based language is a no brainer.

Regulating good ole shit posting is possible and effective. Send those who can't shut the fuck up to join me.

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GET OVER IT FAGGOT, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT, STOP READING IT, SIMPLE

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

I would ban the slurs. We all know what the worst of them are and I trust Druff to use his judgment. Start with N-r, F-g-t and go from there. We know it’s more about optics than anything. People can still degrade others, they just will have to find more creative ways to do so.

When it comes to other types of speech that some deem “hate” and some don’t, that is a rabbit hole that will be endless. That is just a part of the deal and we all know it.

I understand that banning slurs can in of itself be a rabbit hole. I reiterate, I trust Druff to make that determination. I am sure there will be the inevitable threads started nominating words to be banned. What can you do? No perfect solution.

I am also relatively new here. I have surely used slang that can absolutely be deemed homophobic slurs by many, that I have not used in my real life in many years. In context, they are all used to attack a scam artist, but I still see the hypocrisy, even in myself.

Also as a newbie, I await the neg reps and replies of “Shut up Fag”. Again, it’s part of the deal.

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shut up faggot

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

the poll results thus far are not subtle. ~80% want at least some of this shit gone.

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cry more bitch boy

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly

keep replying. the more people read your idiotic shitposts, the more they want some sort of moderation. You're only helping us prove our point.

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COOL STORY FAG

what a sad life you must live when all you have left is being PFA's best poster lol

hang yourself fag

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Originally Posted by dwai

Baron is it shit talking to don't like, shit posting or egregious slurs?

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

Druff was talking more about times and perceptions changing & how the shit people post here can reflect poorly on him in his personal life/poker community. This isn’t about banning slurs and then this forum being flooded with new members. BTW there are new members joining everyday, they just don’t want to deal with people like you taking the cheapest of shots to their posts

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yeah changing it 10 years later will really fix that you fucking moron

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by limitles

Restricting hate language is not going to change the person who chooses to use it.
It will remind them that this is an open public forum and like other places of gathering
it's not acceptable. You don't get away with it in stores for example.

Hate speech is easy. Don't let it be

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hate speech is a made up term by fascist liberals

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

I agree with much of what you just said, and you certainly belong in the "sensible right" category. The quoted portion here unfortunately doesn't ring true. If all you're doing is filtering out the words n****r and f****t, then people will use other words to convey the same thing. Splitthis will continue calling black people monkeys and dwai will still derail every thread with homophobic one-liners. This is what I meant by Stormfront-lite. You could run that website through a profanity filter but it still gets the same message across.

Sure it's worth a shot. But I don't think it will change many minds about what kind of a website this is, particularly to outsiders.

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cry more you bitch made faggot

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Originally Posted by dwai

BCR is quite mad these days, they must've cut his opiate script, but seems hella mad he's getting old and can't get his drugs, try to write fewer paragraphs you old faggot, maybe time to retire along with the old boys, sonatine and Crowe

TO THE SAFE SPACE WITH YOU DRUG ADDICTED GRANDPA

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by BCR

Yeah, the thing is, druff has always had a soft spot for the outcasts, and I usually respect that. Through the years, most of the people I wish he’d nap out were more liberal or just crazy. Like it isn’t political. He’s never banned anyone over politics. I’m not accusing him of that. I just don’t see the problem as slurs. Sure, get rid of them if you’re taking heat for it. I wouldn’t want associated with that, especially if I wasn’t using them.

I listened to the radio show a few weeks back and he listed off all these things he hates from people on the right and left about the virus, and everything he listed off from the right are basically everything dwai, split, and biff post. I don’t get why he’d want them taking his site down if it irritates him?

It’s funny to see split act like people are trying to ruin his site who have always been supportive. Who are still posting here. There isn’t any coup

I always have appreciated everything Todd has done. I just don’t get why he’s letting a kid seemingly go out of his way to destroy the place with no content insult posts in every thread?

I was serious when I said maybe he feels sorry for him? Fuck, he’s an ass and I feel sorry for him. How miserable are you to insult people from sun up to sun down? Who wants to open every thread and see some kid insulting everyone. I find it interesting the people who want to shrug off the virus the most are those who were clearly mentally broke by it.

Split has 78 year old Greek men wondering wtf happened to her ffs. And she thinks others are trying to ruin the site when she’s did as much damage as anyone. She thinks people come to read her and prefer her contributions over srsly. That’s like me thinking OSA would prefer my company to a buff 20 year old.

I will agree with her about one thing. I’ll be happy when all this shit is over. Election, virus, all of it.

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grandpa mad yall

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Originally Posted by dwai

lol what a bunch of whining little faggots crowe, srsly and bcr have become, maybe consider logging off or hanging yourselves, your penis' have retracted into your bodies to make vaginas, kill yourself

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by BiffCo99

- Connor Betts was a fat left Antifa who shot and killed nine people in Dayton, Ohio.

- Officer David Dorn was shot and killed in a BLM riot and NOT by a Boogaloo Boy, you’re wrong.

- A woman was shot in the head in Indiana for saying All Lives Matter.

- 4 people were shot in Chaz, two were killed.

- Antifa firebombed an ICE facility and the guy was killed.

- A man burned to death in a Minneapolis building, they didn’t find his body until two months later.

- a man was shot and killed in Louisville, KY at a BLM
occupy protest.

- a 22 year old woman was shot and killed in Davenport IA at a BLm protest.



Is that enough for you? And there’s even more.

Antifa has occupied Portland for 75 straight days and you can’t be bothered to do some research on them. Either that or you’re repeating Antifa propaganda that they don’t exist. Are you? I’ve seen Antifa propaganda repeated by several posters on this board.

I could literally make a strong argument that your post is running cover for extremist groups, in fact I believe it is, and Druff should ban it for extremist ideology under your rules.

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yikes, BRO YOU KILLED HIM

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by sonatine

welp, the votes are in and it seems pretty clear cut; todd your sites brand is hate-speech, bigotry, and sociopathic rage.

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says the fag with 28k posts

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Originally Posted by dwai

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

I have contributed more to this site than 95% of users, in the form of donations, radio, and god knows how many hours in photoshop and premiere.

Not sure why you're so enraged that I participated less after being harassed and my job/family being threatened. You miss me?

Tight life though, keep up the great work.

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all you've done is cry like a faggot for years, we don't want your photoshop, we don't want you on radio, just fuck off and die.

hang yourself

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Duped by Smollett is triggered lol.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by blake

'this might be the lunesta talking but i'm legit bothered bu the fact that you deleted my substantive debate points in the coronavirus thread when you never delete anything here

i think my posts, fps_russia's and limitles's posts were the only ones you've ever deleted

i'm in a super-elite class of poster there

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I never deleted your posts alone. I sometimes will delete a series of posts by numerous people if it's way off topic and hijacking a thread.

I've never once thought, "This blake post sucks, I'm deleting it"

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it was on topic

Imagine the soul searching it must be taking to spend this long on the idea of disallowing gratuitous bigoted speech. Not borderline shit, not bigoted speech in general, but "gratuitous bigoted speech", by druff's own description.

I'm sure there's a downside to this somewhere in your mind, but its pretty hard to fathom what it might be. The forum has voted, so far, at a more than 2:1 ratio that at least some action should be taken, but on the other side of the coin, what if people want to yell terrible things at everyone all the time? What about those people? I can see why this is so difficult...