Threads where Jasep was accused of being a scammer were accidentally deleted -- REGARDING 4BET, NOT THE 2013 BAP/22Q SCAM

[Suicide King]

This is obv a staged routine between 4bet and jasep to bring some action to a dead forum. No way in fucking hell is 4bet this big of a faggot in real life. right? This is a ruse right?

[chinamaniac]

Druff give this faggot the crybaby avatar and make his title "$140 richer".

Why isn't this done yet?

Make him wait at least a month for the money Jasep. No one will think worse of you and the meltdown will provide way more than $140 worth of entertainment for the rest of us. Thanks in advance.

[chinamaniac]

This is obv a staged routine between 4bet and jasep to bring some action to a dead forum. No way in fucking hell is 4bet this big of a faggot in real life. right? This is a ruse right?

He has an awesome avatar

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

Forgot My Lunch,

Was my last post to "out there" for ya to respond to?

[Windsor Lockwood]

I didn't read a word of this thread but with that said...

FREE JASEP

[408Mike]

LOL but you would handle it like you did?

I NEVER RECEIVED YOUR TEXT MESSAGES.... why is that hard for you to understand? I am not ducking anyone, I am probably more accessible than Druff.

I also never received the emails or pms you sent me prior to starting this thread... because you never sent them..

I wrapped up my package on Wednesday at 1am... I woke up 2 hours before my show thursday and prepped it... Picked up my daughter friday morning, spoke to you saturday with finalized numbers and told you I would have a green dot card for you in a few days... none of this is unreasonable at all...

I highly doubt you would call me kid to my face, but you know where I am and where to find me, Parx in 3 weeks, Borgata after that, Vegas in June, feel free to come find me and call me kid.

lol, Now you are a 4 foot tall tough guy,You started this bye fking me around here, I know you win the ball suckers over but the fact is you owe and have not paid no matter how you spin it, Still funny how these dumb fks believe the phone is broke story , Kid you are trash, You really think I would be worried about calling you a kid to your face?? Kid if you lived in south florida I would have never posted this, You would have seen me at your door for ducking me

Jasep does not have short mans complex first and foremost. Irregardless I have seen situations like this before, 4bet please (for once) level with us all why you are so pissed off. It's very obviously not about the money, let's get that straight. Why are you so mad bro? I am guessing it's some combination of problems (though I can easily be wrong) having to do with:

Drugs
Women
Other horses not paying
Horses not winning
Running bad
Some history between the two that hasn't been explained

Since you are looking pretty bad right now, this is a golden opportunity to calmly break down what's really pissing you off. I highly doubt it's Jasep, have you seen the guy? He's like the most non-threatening human on earth, this level of hostility doesn't fit at all. Don't even for one second pretend we are stupid enough to think $140 really matters that much, even if you were bust. $1400 is still not that bad, I mean really? $140? GTFO with that bs. If you came clean right now that other factors have pushed you over the edge all will be forgiven but you have to at least be real for a change.

[pikachar]

That really sucks, cause now I just see a thread title that I was accused of being a scammer and none of the statements that were given to clear my name

Here's something to clear it up for you...

I've bought 2 BAP's from Jasep

I've gotten paid on both!

/end thread

You aren't a scammer.

[4BET]

lol, Now you are a 4 foot tall tough guy,You started this bye fking me around here, I know you win the ball suckers over but the fact is you owe and have not paid no matter how you spin it, Still funny how these dumb fks believe the phone is broke story , Kid you are trash, You really think I would be worried about calling you a kid to your face?? Kid if you lived in south florida I would have never posted this, You would have seen me at your door for ducking me

Jasep does not have short mans complex first and foremost. Irregardless I have seen situations like this before, 4bet please (for once) level with us all why you are so pissed off. It's very obviously not about the money, let's get that straight. Why are you so mad bro? I am guessing it's some combination of problems (though I can easily be wrong) having to do with:

Drugs
Women
Other horses not paying
Horses not winning
Running bad
Some history between the two that hasn't been explained

Since you are looking pretty bad right now, this is a golden opportunity to calmly break down what's really pissing you off. I highly doubt it's Jasep, have you seen the guy? He's like the most non-threatening human on earth, this level of hostility doesn't fit at all. Don't even for one second pretend we are stupid enough to think $140 really matters that much, even if you were bust. $1400 is still not that bad, I mean really? $140? GTFO with that bs. If you came clean right now that other factors have pushed you over the edge all will be forgiven but you have to at least be real for a change.

You are right its not about the 140 and none of the things you listed. I will explain the best I can why this tilted me. 1st of jasep missed many tourys he had in the package, 2nd The best one of them 1k buyin he showed up 4 hours late for no good reason, This is when I first start to tilt a little but I don't say nothing, I let it go but still very unhappy about this. 3rd. The package ends on Wednesday and we both know there is cash owed back (far less then invested b.t.w) So now thurs comes and goes I hear nothing, NP,,Fri comes and goes I hear nothing,, NP, now Saturday comes and I hear nothing, So I text Johnny and say " I am kinda shocked that many days have passed and I have not heard from you" He reply with some B.S about why he could not send a 2 sec text and he says that I have 140 coming back (which I could care less about) and I was gonna have him keep that little money and put it on the next package had he contacted me on thurs, fri or Saturday, Now bye then I feel disrespected as a invester and very tilted over the way he handled the whole package, So he tells me Saturday he will ship greendot number bye the next day, Sun comes and goes nothing NP, Mon comes and goes NP, Tuesday comes I hear nothing, So I start texting no reply and no I did not try to contact him any other way, I have his phone number and T.B.H I never even thought of sending P.M etc . Then after 2 days with no reply along with all the other B.S which went on for weeks I starting posting. Now yous guys can tear me up on here about this and T.B.H I could careless, you just don't see it like I do . I was raised to always pay your debts a.s.a.p for example I made some bets on the Superbowl with guys from the local cardroom I lost the next day at 9am they were paid and I was taking the day off but I went there to pay the money I owe 12 hours after I lost. I could have paid a day later we had no agreement on what day we pay but the 1st thing I do that morning is go out of my way to pay what I owe because I have did this my whole life, So when you people say its only been a week that is laughable to me, A fking week I would have shipped thurs and its not only the week it is the ducking me, No reply to text etc. Sorry this is so long but you asked for more of the story so here it is, Now when I think about it what REALLY started tilting me was the 4 hours late to the 1k, when you are playing with other peoples money you dont show up 4 hours late without a very good reason I.M.O

[HEX]

Not only has this thread been a complete disaster for you, you are also about as unreadable as a writer can be.

[Sandwich]

4Bet, with all of that explanation, it is understandable that you were frustrated and tilted as an investor. Perhaps a better course would have been posting all of those details in the first instance EXCEPT not naming the person (saying it is a "well-known poster here" perhaps?). The lack of communication and showing up late and skipping tournaments are all valid concerns on their face. If a couple more weeks had gone by with no response, then sure, out him as a scammer, or at least a slow-payer, or someone who irresponsibly handles/manages investors.
As it happened, though, it seems like you couldn't wait to call him out, by name, at the first opportunity. IMO, it doesn't put you in a very good light, the way it went down.

[4BET]

Not only has this thread been a complete disaster for you, you are also about as unreadable as a writer can be.

Believe me I know I am not a writer did the best I could to explain my side.

[4BET]

4Bet, with all of that explanation, it is understandable that you were frustrated and tilted as an investor. Perhaps a better course would have been posting all of those details in the first instance EXCEPT not naming the person (saying it is a "well-known poster here" perhaps?). The lack of communication and showing up late and skipping tournaments are all valid concerns on their face. If a couple more weeks had gone by with no response, then sure, out him as a scammer, or at least a slow-payer, or someone who irresponsibly handles/manages investors.
As it happened, though, it seems like you couldn't wait to call him out, by name, at the first opportunity. IMO, it doesn't put you in a very good light, the way it went down.

I agree with you looking back now, I could have handled this another way and should have but I will stand bye my belief that had johnny did the right thing this would have never happen.

[ftpjesus]

For those that missed it, I'll repost some things on DD about this (some of which was duplicated between sites), so you can understand what this was all about....

Seriously Jeff?

I am a Filthy Cheat? Really? you are attempting to hurt my reputation for 140 dollars on a Greendot card?

1.) I have not received any text messages from you because my phone shit the bed on monday and have not gotten a replacement yet. I actually had a conversation with you about my phone beginning to give me trouble a week ago and said I am not sure if all my updates will be as frequent as my phone was shutting off randomly and flashing a 4g disconnected message constantly. I PM'd Pikachar this information because I was expecting a call from him, he can confirm. I did not PM you because we know each other personally and I did not think it was important as I have already given you a time frame on payment but I was yet to talk to him about it.

2.) I put cash in your hand in Florida, I actually overpaid you for my package it but was never worried about that,I accidentally underpaid you on another bap you did so we just rolled the credit through...

3.) I played my last tournament last wednesday I missed some tournaments and was clearly undecided if I was going to add more to make up for the missed tournaments. I wrapped it up wed at like 1am I text you then with my result. I did my show thursday and as you and most people who know me know that I have my daughter all weekend and I am not typically available ever on the weekends.

4.) I talked to you sunday afternoon after I dropped off my daughter and gave you the final numbers with 140 coming your way. I asked you how you would like it and you said greendot, I responded that I will have it to you in a few days... this was Sunday mind you... today is Wednesday. I generally have an off schedule, look at my post times here. I am up and working at like 4am and sleeping at like 3pm. This does not make things like going to Sprint for a replacement phone or to the store for a greendot card always super easy for me.

5.) I sent twitter messages to all of my backers including PLOL and Pika with numbers saying I will have payments sent this week.

6.) You over reacted in Florida when I did not text you updates because my battery died.

7.) When you bought the original package from me in December you gave me the run around and brush off for almost 4 weeks before sending payment. When reserving this package the remaining 80 dollars was sent to me 3 weeks after reserving as well and I never said anything to you about the time frame, I even told you I would put up your end if I didn't get it in time for the series to start.

8.) This is an insanely classless thing to do and I will no longer be doing any business with you in the future.

9.) Did you ever even try calling my phone? see if it goes straight to voicemail and think maybe that I had an issue? or sent me a single email, PM or anything of that nature expressing any concern? or did you just tilt after some text messages went unanswered?

10.) I will ship you 140 no later than 24 hours from right now.

11.) All of my cash backers have been paid with the exception of 2, one asked me to roll it into whatever I do next and one asked me to give it to him whenever I see him

12.) The only person who can make claim to me owing them money for extended periods of time is 4dragons and me and him speak about it often and as recently as yesterday and it has nothing to do with poker money. He will also verify that I always pay him.

I can provide lists and lists of people who get paid by me in the time frame specified without fail.

I am really disappointed in the chosen action here. I am accessible to you you through several channels and I am still within the time frame that I told you payment would be sent... If anything I am one day late if you want to say that a few days implies 2 days.

Funny how you say a was late paying for a stake when I paid 6 fucking weeks before the package started in florida, The lesson here is PAY THE FUCKING MONEY WHEN YOU OWE, No reason why you did not send my money bye friday at the latest but go head and make all the excuses and lies, my phone is dead, lol REAL FUCKING JOKE YOU ARE

Jeff I have given you my responses and have private messaged you on 2 forums now, I am not gonna carry this conversation over two separate threads at two separate web sites, we can either talk privately via email or pm or if you send me your number again i will call you from a friends phone.... or.... we can discuss it publicly in the PFA thread...

Morale of the story. I guess is let 4BET go play with himself if he's gonna act like a whiney little bitch and in fact took forever to pay into the stake is suspicious. Looks more like 4BET is looking for any reason to discredit Jasep for alterior motives, whatever they maybe.. 4BET honestly your acting like the guy rolled you for tons of cash when he didnt and actually paid you back. Jasep has zero history of rolling people as far as I know so for you to throw out all kinds of accusations was way out of line. I would encourage people to be very careful dealing with 4BET maybe you should just stick to staking yourself 4BET but Imguessing that doesnt work too well either since your a donk at the tables from what I understand. BTW the fact you drive a Corvette with that license plate just smacks of DOUCHEBAG alert just so ya know.. Guessing you have to have the penis car to make up for the receding hairline and lack of lead inthe pencil because honest to God (as my father) only middleaged douchebags with viagra Prescriptions would drive around in a Vette with that plate.. Guys drive those to make up for shortcumings elsewhere end of story.

[tony bagadonuts]

4Bet, with all of that explanation, it is understandable that you were frustrated and tilted as an investor. Perhaps a better course would have been posting all of those details in the first instance EXCEPT not naming the person (saying it is a "well-known poster here" perhaps?). The lack of communication and showing up late and skipping tournaments are all valid concerns on their face. If a couple more weeks had gone by with no response, then sure, out him as a scammer, or at least a slow-payer, or someone who irresponsibly handles/manages investors.
As it happened, though, it seems like you couldn't wait to call him out, by name, at the first opportunity. IMO, it doesn't put you in a very good light, the way it went down.

I agree with you looking back now, I could have handled this another way and should have but I will stand bye my belief that had johnny did the right thing this would have never happen.

4B, you seem to be in a better place today, and frankly I don't think anyone would begrudge you for being a bit irritated at the lack of communication and showing up late for a previously agreed upon staked tournament.

It just goes to show you that nothing good comes from tilting. Jasep has been unfairly pegged as a scammer and you have come across as a bit of a lunatic. I don't believe either of these are true but that is how it has shaken out.

I have enjoyed the threads though, nothing like a little drama to break up the monotony. At the end of the day this really seems like a customer satisfaction issue more than anything. If you don't like the way Jasep conducts his business, then you shouldn't do business with him anymore. That seems more reasonable in the final analysis than publicly calling him out as a cheat.

[4BET]

For those that missed it, I'll repost some things on DD about this (some of which was duplicated between sites), so you can understand what this was all about....

Funny how you say a was late paying for a stake when I paid 6 fucking weeks before the package started in florida, The lesson here is PAY THE FUCKING MONEY WHEN YOU OWE, No reason why you did not send my money bye friday at the latest but go head and make all the excuses and lies, my phone is dead, lol REAL FUCKING JOKE YOU ARE

Jeff I have given you my responses and have private messaged you on 2 forums now, I am not gonna carry this conversation over two separate threads at two separate web sites, we can either talk privately via email or pm or if you send me your number again i will call you from a friends phone.... or.... we can discuss it publicly in the PFA thread...

Morale of the story. I guess is let 4BET go play with himself if he's gonna act like a whiney little bitch and in fact took forever to pay into the stake is suspicious. Looks more like 4BET is looking for any reason to discredit Jasep for alterior motives, whatever they maybe.. 4BET honestly your acting like the guy rolled you for tons of cash when he didnt and actually paid you back. Jasep has zero history of rolling people as far as I know so for you to throw out all kinds of accusations was way out of line. I would encourage people to be very careful dealing with 4BET maybe you should just stick to staking yourself 4BET but Imguessing that doesnt work too well either since your a donk at the tables from what I understand. BTW the fact you drive a Corvette with that license plate just smacks of DOUCHEBAG alert just so ya know.. Guessing you have to have the penis car to make up for the receding hairline and lack of lead inthe pencil because honest to God (as my father) only middleaged douchebags with viagra Prescriptions would drive around in a Vette with that plate.. Guys drive those to make up for shortcumings elsewhere end of story.

Haters gonna Hate and I have had vettes my whole life since I was 18 so your read is way off here, And ya ok I am the donk who gets the cash, Guess I am lucky year after year and what you or anyone thinks about my plate means nothing to me, I love the game of poker and I love my plate and that is all that really matters to me, What you think means 0

[tommyt]

For those that missed it, I'll repost some things on DD about this (some of which was duplicated between sites), so you can understand what this was all about....

Jeff I have given you my responses and have private messaged you on 2 forums now, I am not gonna carry this conversation over two separate threads at two separate web sites, we can either talk privately via email or pm or if you send me your number again i will call you from a friends phone.... or.... we can discuss it publicly in the PFA thread...

Morale of the story. I guess is let 4BET go play with himself if he's gonna act like a whiney little bitch and in fact took forever to pay into the stake is suspicious. Looks more like 4BET is looking for any reason to discredit Jasep for alterior motives, whatever they maybe.. 4BET honestly your acting like the guy rolled you for tons of cash when he didnt and actually paid you back. Jasep has zero history of rolling people as far as I know so for you to throw out all kinds of accusations was way out of line. I would encourage people to be very careful dealing with 4BET maybe you should just stick to staking yourself 4BET but Imguessing that doesnt work too well either since your a donk at the tables from what I understand. BTW the fact you drive a Corvette with that license plate just smacks of DOUCHEBAG alert just so ya know.. Guessing you have to have the penis car to make up for the receding hairline and lack of lead inthe pencil because honest to God (as my father) only middleaged douchebags with viagra Prescriptions would drive around in a Vette with that plate.. Guys drive those to make up for shortcumings elsewhere end of story.

Haters gonna Hate and I have had vettes my whole life since I was 18 so your read is way off here, And ya ok I am the donk who gets the cash, Guess I am lucky year after year and what you or anyone thinks about my plate means nothing to me, I love the game of poker and I love my plate and that is all that really matters to me, What you think means 0

[Deal]

Morale of the story. I guess is let 4BET go play with himself if he's gonna act like a whiney little bitch and in fact took forever to pay into the stake is suspicious. Looks more like 4BET is looking for any reason to discredit Jasep for alterior motives, whatever they maybe.. 4BET honestly your acting like the guy rolled you for tons of cash when he didnt and actually paid you back. Jasep has zero history of rolling people as far as I know so for you to throw out all kinds of accusations was way out of line. I would encourage people to be very careful dealing with 4BET maybe you should just stick to staking yourself 4BET but Imguessing that doesnt work too well either since your a donk at the tables from what I understand. BTW the fact you drive a Corvette with that license plate just smacks of DOUCHEBAG alert just so ya know.. Guessing you have to have the penis car to make up for the receding hairline and lack of lead inthe pencil because honest to God (as my father) only middleaged douchebags with viagra Prescriptions would drive around in a Vette with that plate.. Guys drive those to make up for shortcumings elsewhere end of story.

+1, then he takes a pic of his small penis and puts it up as his avatar here. What a douche.

Druff should give him a custom title of "Napoleon complex"

[Steve-O]

Actually it seems like either someone hacked his account yesterday or he has gotten a good night's sleep, as he appears to be a totally different person this morning.

As bad as it is to rush to judgement and start making wild accusations about people, it seems like 4Bet was maybe having a really bad day yesterday, and Jasep's phone not working (causing him to think he was being ignored) was just the icing on the cake that set him off, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. NOW, if he really wants to prove that this was the case he needs to make it up to Jasep for having Jo***y S*p is a Filthy Cheat show up on the first page of Google when you search his name, with Filthy Limper right in the title.

[Ricky]

I hope for your sake that Jasep doesn't go mini-Malmuth on your libelous posts.

NOW, if he really wants to prove that this was the case he needs to make it up to Jasep for having Jo***y S*p is a Filthy Cheat show up on the first page of Google when you search his name, with Filthy Limper right in the title.

[408Mike]

Jasep does not have short mans complex first and foremost. Irregardless I have seen situations like this before, 4bet please (for once) level with us all why you are so pissed off. It's very obviously not about the money, let's get that straight. Why are you so mad bro? I am guessing it's some combination of problems (though I can easily be wrong) having to do with:

Drugs
Women
Other horses not paying
Horses not winning
Running bad
Some history between the two that hasn't been explained

Since you are looking pretty bad right now, this is a golden opportunity to calmly break down what's really pissing you off. I highly doubt it's Jasep, have you seen the guy? He's like the most non-threatening human on earth, this level of hostility doesn't fit at all. Don't even for one second pretend we are stupid enough to think $140 really matters that much, even if you were bust. $1400 is still not that bad, I mean really? $140? GTFO with that bs. If you came clean right now that other factors have pushed you over the edge all will be forgiven but you have to at least be real for a change.

You are right its not about the 140 and none of the things you listed. I will explain the best I can why this tilted me. 1st of jasep missed many tourys he had in the package, 2nd The best one of them 1k buyin he showed up 4 hours late for no good reason, This is when I first start to tilt a little but I don't say nothing, I let it go but still very unhappy about this. 3rd. The package ends on Wednesday and we both know there is cash owed back (far less then invested b.t.w) So now thurs comes and goes I hear nothing, NP,,Fri comes and goes I hear nothing,, NP, now Saturday comes and I hear nothing, So I text Johnny and say " I am kinda shocked that many days have passed and I have not heard from you" He reply with some B.S about why he could not send a 2 sec text and he says that I have 140 coming back (which I could care less about) and I was gonna have him keep that little money and put it on the next package had he contacted me on thurs, fri or Saturday, Now bye then I feel disrespected as a invester and very tilted over the way he handled the whole package, So he tells me Saturday he will ship greendot number bye the next day, Sun comes and goes nothing NP, Mon comes and goes NP, Tuesday comes I hear nothing, So I start texting no reply and no I did not try to contact him any other way, I have his phone number and T.B.H I never even thought of sending P.M etc . Then after 2 days with no reply along with all the other B.S which went on for weeks I starting posting. Now yous guys can tear me up on here about this and T.B.H I could careless, you just don't see it like I do . I was raised to always pay your debts a.s.a.p for example I made some bets on the Superbowl with guys from the local cardroom I lost the next day at 9am they were paid and I was taking the day off but I went there to pay the money I owe 12 hours after I lost. I could have paid a day later we had no agreement on what day we pay but the 1st thing I do that morning is go out of my way to pay what I owe because I have did this my whole life, So when you people say its only been a week that is laughable to me, A fking week I would have shipped thurs and its not only the week it is the ducking me, No reply to text etc. Sorry this is so long but you asked for more of the story so here it is, Now when I think about it what REALLY started tilting me was the 4 hours late to the 1k, when you are playing with other peoples money you dont show up 4 hours late without a very good reason I.M.O

You have legitimate reason to be pissed the fuck off if you feel disrespected. I don't think anyone will argue with that and I personally don't hold against you the anger you were showing.

Since I don't know either of you well take what I say with a grain of salt but a little better communication and it seems like things would be pretty smooth. Jasep might be having a hard time talking to you if he feels like you are going to lose your cool if he's lost or slow paying, couldn't make a tourney because he wasn't feeling well or something came up, a variety of reasons. I get that way too, sometimes I owe and normally being a little late is not a big deal but with some people I get the feeling they are going to just lose it and it makes me back off and not tell them. That makes things worse of course, and I end up paying but on top of that regretting putting the confrontation off.

I am not blaming you, I am not blaming him, but the erosion of communications between the two of you is actually probably both of your guy's faults. Bury the hatchet and move forward, being angry or frustrated isn't helping him at the tables nor your wallet. As you feel disrespected and Jasep feels the same way (from the overreaction) I would say the two negate each other and it's water under the bridge. Could he have called probably, did you overreact probably, now let's make some fucking MONEY since really that's what you both wanted in the first place amirite?

Thanks for leveling with us all, the emotions you had going make more sense now. Hope things work out for you both.