Say what you will about Tydepoker

[Mintjewlips]

I think todd has forum PTSD. He's like a battered woman getting out of an abusive relationship who thinks every man is out to get her.

I understand his demeanor, i know trolls are on his ass 24/7, but it doesn't mean every one criticizing you, or making a joke at your expense(breaking balls), or even giving you zinger or 2 is out to "troll" you. He's been trolled for years so his automatic response to anyone making fun of him is to call them trolls and dupes (ie the battered woman syndrome), mean while he has dupes on PFA!, and has admitted on radio to having conversations with himself on threads where he responds to one of his dupes with another. How hypocritical.

You just lash out at anyone making fun of you, call them trolls and make paragraph long points on misconstrued facts, one of which is my "terrible trolling". I'm assuming you think im trolling chaps?, if so you are making my point. That was already explained and i was not, am not trolling him, i called him an owl fucker and he's still tilting about it a week later. I'm not to blame for his or anyone else's shenanigans.

[GrenadaRoger]

iirc micon was playing great until the poker sites closed and the whole culture kind of imploded into a whirlpool of debt and malice.

i never thought he was trying to 'get over' on anyone or anything when i met him, he just wanted to do his thing and work his program, he was a funny, smart, cool dude when i met with him basically.

yeah, Micon is the type that seems like a great guy--its easy to be happy when you are being paid while others (Druff, Wrenchjockey, Vwls, etc) are doing most of the work at a fraction of their worth....there are lots of people that are great for parties but no good to work with, Micon seems like that type...

and when the poker sites closed, Micon's character was put to a test---rather than get a job, he resorted to selling marijuana (unlicensed) and operating an illicit poker site in Nevada...yeah, maybe those laws are things you and I don't agree with, but they were illegal and i think are very questionable activities for a man with a wife and daughter to get involved in

[tyde]

I didn't say you were not a dupe.

This is what I said:



So, yes, you are a dupe.

You're either a dupe account of a former/current PFA member, or you're a dupe account of someone who once actively posted on NWP/DD.

But either way, you're a cowardly dupe hiding behind a new name, and doing an awful job at trying to troll.

Picking the name "Mintjewlips" was the single funny thing you've done here. It's been all downhill from there.

Everything else has been just annoying and terrible.

Im not a "dupe".

I've never had an account on PFA.

Just because i had an account on donkdown doesn't make me a "dupe" on PFA.

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone.

You say I've done nothing but make horrible post yet Dj chaps is posting about molesting little boys and you don't even flinch. You really are a bit childish in the way you react to criticism or ball breaking.

dude's got a point, you turn a blind eye to fucked up shit unless it is directed at you or affects you in real life.

Slam dunk post

Todds double standards and his air of self entitlement are just...

jaw dropping

[Hockey Guy]

Slam dunk post

Todds double standards and his air of self entitlement are just...

jaw dropping

So are all of your delusions.

[lol wow]

extra lol at these posters the entire story of tyde can be summed up in tapper getting admin us changing his laughing crab gif to a skatz poster and the rest being history

[lol wow]

also seriously gridlocked on hbo you morons dont deserve it but you need to see it

[rum dick]

IIRC, druff sold micon on the idea that he had no intention of starting a radio show at the moment, but reserved the right to do so in the future.

The future came pretty quickly after that.

I didn't really sell him on anything. The whole "Druff won't start something again" thing was in his head. We literally never discussed it, aside from my (true) statement that I was stressed out with the whole thing and was likely taking at least a 6 month break from being part of any forums or radio shows.

But there was never any kind of a agreement, promise, or implied promise that he would never face future competition from me.

He knew that at the time. Even when he had Martha go over the separation contract with a fine tooth comb (and attempt to add various elements which were unfavorable to my side), there was NEVER anything added regarding a non-compete clause or waiting periods. And believe me, there would have been if we had agreed to anything like this.

I can't speak for Micon, but he I'm guessing he felt this was unnecessary, because he honestly felt that I had been a detriment to NWP/DD and the entire community, and that nobody except for a few scrubs would ever follow me over to a new forum. He really thought that things were going to blow up huge once I was gone.

When this didn't happen, and in fact things degraded in my absence, it opened the door for me to start a new site of my own and see if anyone had an interest in coming here.

Unlike boris, I did not start this site with the intention to replace DD. In fact, even I was surprised at how fast it dried up and died once PFA got going.

any chance youd post the whole story about the contract negotiations? would love to hear about the crazy terms and conditions micon and martha tried to get added to the agreement and their arguments for said terms and conditions (like how they tried to justify them and what they said when you turned them down, etc). and also how yall arrived at the buyout amount.

[DJ_Chaps]

I didn't say you were not a dupe.

This is what I said:

I don't know who Mintjewlips is. Clearly he's not "new" to this community, but I have no knowledge of his actual identity. That's the truth.

So, yes, you are a dupe.

You're either a dupe account of a former/current PFA member, or you're a dupe account of someone who once actively posted on NWP/DD.

But either way, you're a cowardly dupe hiding behind a new name, and doing an awful job at trying to troll.

Picking the name "Mintjewlips" was the single funny thing you've done here. It's been all downhill from there.

Everything else has been just annoying and terrible.

Im not a "dupe".

I've never had an account on PFA.

Just because i had an account on donkdown doesn't make me a "dupe" on PFA.

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone.

You say I've done nothing but make horrible post yet Dj chaps is posting about molesting little boys and you don't even flinch. You really are a bit childish in the way you react to criticism or ball breaking.

"YOUR SON" is an inside joke. Thank you for proving that you're just a sad outsider hiding behind a smelly trash dupe. GL on OSP, scumshit.

[sonatine]

I didn't say you were not a dupe.

This is what I said:



So, yes, you are a dupe.

You're either a dupe account of a former/current PFA member, or you're a dupe account of someone who once actively posted on NWP/DD.

But either way, you're a cowardly dupe hiding behind a new name, and doing an awful job at trying to troll.

Picking the name "Mintjewlips" was the single funny thing you've done here. It's been all downhill from there.

Everything else has been just annoying and terrible.

Im not a "dupe".

I've never had an account on PFA.

Just because i had an account on donkdown doesn't make me a "dupe" on PFA.

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone.

You say I've done nothing but make horrible post yet Dj chaps is posting about molesting little boys and you don't even flinch. You really are a bit childish in the way you react to criticism or ball breaking.

"YOUR SON" is an inside joke. Thank you for proving that you're just a sad outsider hiding behind a smelly trash dupe. GL on OSP, scumshit.

An inside joke? No one talks to you anymore, who could it be inside with?

[Mintjewlips]

Im not a "dupe".

I've never had an account on PFA.

Just because i had an account on donkdown doesn't make me a "dupe" on PFA.

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone.

You say I've done nothing but make horrible post yet Dj chaps is posting about molesting little boys and you don't even flinch. You really are a bit childish in the way you react to criticism or ball breaking.

"YOUR SON" is an inside joke. Thank you for proving that you're just a sad outsider hiding behind a smelly trash dupe. GL on OSP, scumshit.

An inside joke? No one talks to you anymore, who could it be inside with?

Him and the owl he's fucking

[Dan Druff]

I think todd has forum PTSD. He's like a battered woman getting out of an abusive relationship who thinks every man is out to get her.

I understand his demeanor, i know trolls are on his ass 24/7, but it doesn't mean every one criticizing you, or making a joke at your expense(breaking balls), or even giving you zinger or 2 is out to "troll" you. He's been trolled for years so his automatic response to anyone making fun of him is to call them trolls and dupes (ie the battered woman syndrome), mean while he has dupes on PFA!, and has admitted on radio to having conversations with himself on threads where he responds to one of his dupes with another. How hypocritical.

You just lash out at anyone making fun of you, call them trolls and make paragraph long points on misconstrued facts, one of which is my "terrible trolling". I'm assuming you think im trolling chaps?, if so you are making my point. That was already explained and i was not, am not trolling him, i called him an owl fucker and he's still tilting about it a week later. I'm not to blame for his or anyone else's shenanigans.

C'mon man, almost all of your posts here contain some kind of weak trolling, and the worst part is that it always involves insults that you've stolen from others in the past.

You are a dupe because you are hiding who you were before, and hiding the online identity we knew you under. It doesn't matter if you never had an account on PFA before (a claim I doubt anyway). NWP/DD/PFA... it's all pretty much the same shit with the same people, and you know it.

I don't mind when a guy who was a troll or an idiot in the past chooses a new name in order to get a "fresh start" here and leave negative impressions behind, but when you create a new identity just to troll with unoriginal and overused platitudes, the whole thing strikes me as both lame and cowardly.

If you want to razz Chaps about owls or whatever, at least have the balls to say who you are/were.

[Dan Druff]

I didn't really sell him on anything. The whole "Druff won't start something again" thing was in his head. We literally never discussed it, aside from my (true) statement that I was stressed out with the whole thing and was likely taking at least a 6 month break from being part of any forums or radio shows.

But there was never any kind of a agreement, promise, or implied promise that he would never face future competition from me.

He knew that at the time. Even when he had Martha go over the separation contract with a fine tooth comb (and attempt to add various elements which were unfavorable to my side), there was NEVER anything added regarding a non-compete clause or waiting periods. And believe me, there would have been if we had agreed to anything like this.

I can't speak for Micon, but he I'm guessing he felt this was unnecessary, because he honestly felt that I had been a detriment to NWP/DD and the entire community, and that nobody except for a few scrubs would ever follow me over to a new forum. He really thought that things were going to blow up huge once I was gone.

When this didn't happen, and in fact things degraded in my absence, it opened the door for me to start a new site of my own and see if anyone had an interest in coming here.

Unlike boris, I did not start this site with the intention to replace DD. In fact, even I was surprised at how fast it dried up and died once PFA got going.

any chance youd post the whole story about the contract negotiations? would love to hear about the crazy terms and conditions micon and martha tried to get added to the agreement and their arguments for said terms and conditions (like how they tried to justify them and what they said when you turned them down, etc). and also how yall arrived at the buyout amount.

The whole story is much less exciting than you're probably picturing.

Basically I wrote the contract using my best Finklestein impression, and shipped it over to Micon to sign. He handed it to Martha, who made a bunch of changes and shipped it back.

While I accepted a few of the changes, the ones that really bothered me were punitive in nature. Basically she inserted a lot of terms saying, "If Druff does X, then Micon no longer has to keep to term Y." So basically there were punishments inserted for various behaviors, and many of them were subjective and would be hard for me to disprove.

For example, I remember one of them involved me using the dandruff@donkdown.com e-mail (something Micon agreed to keep live for 2 years) for anything "officially" representing Donkdown. I was happy to sign that I wasn't going to pretend to be part of DD anymore (why would I, anyway?), but I wasn't going to agree to penalties if they claimed that I did it. All it would take would be some fabricated story that I was using the e-mail address to pretend I was still affiliated with DD, and then they would have justification to break terms of the contract. No fucking way I was going for that.

Even worse, there was nothing punitive against Micon in the contract for breaking terms on his side. So basically they wanted me to sign something where there were punishments for me breaking my side of the agreement, but no punishment against Micon for breaking his.

Just to be sure I wasn't crazy, I actually took the Martha-revised contract to an attorney friend of my dad's. The guy wasn't willing to do free legal work for me, but he was willing to look it over and see if he thought it was full of shit. He instantly pointed out the punitive stuff as inequitable, and told me I would be a fool if I signed it.

So I re-modified it, removed the punitive stuff, and told Micon that I would only sign if that stuff was out. He reluctantly agreed, but more just to have the whole thing out of his hair. He didn't admit I was right about it.

Regarding the lowball $1200 figure, I knew I was getting screwed, but I just wanted out. What was most important to me at the time was that, upon my exit, Micon wouldn't "relax" the rules and allow various trolls to plaster my family's info up there everywhere. Basically I wanted any personal info related to me and my family to be 100% off limits once I left the site. So I decided I was willing to give up some money in order to incentivize Micon to agree.

Micon admitted on the phone to me that $1200 was a LOL figure for 26.4% of the site. Mind you, the site was making about $1000 per month profit at the time, and Micon believed that my departure would only make things better (so he never argued that my leaving would devalue it). I pointed out to him that it would take less than 6 weeks to make back the $1200 he would pay me, and what a severe undervalue that was. His response was pretty much, "Yeah, but that's all I can afford now, and I can't even afford that."

Even worse, the money took months to receive, and I only got it after I pressured him. So I actually sold him my 26.4% on credit, which again shows how much I wanted out.

The contract did have terms which allowed me to void the sale if he didn't both pay me 100% of DD profits until the $1200 was met, AND get the entire thing done within 6 months. That is, he was required to not keep a penny of DD profits until I was fully paid, and that even if DD failed to profit, he still owed it within 6 months.

I found out by keeping track of the site's sponsors that he was making money, and still wasn't paying me. I was furious when I learned that the money went toward buying DD trucker caps to sell people, which was against the agreement. (He wasn't allowed to use any of the profits to reinvest in or enhance the site until I was paid.)

After a lot of pressure, he agreed to ship me the money, and on the Wells Fargo statement, it said "SNAPPING U OFF CLEAN" in the descriptor.

This actually meant more than you might realize. Up until I demanded the money after I received nothing for a few months (and found he was reinvesting the site's profits in hats), Micon was under the delusion that we were still friends despite all that had happened. When I was refusing to let him worm out of paying me immediately upon finding that out, he felt like I was an insensitive jerk, and told me he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. Obviously I didn't care, as I felt our friendship ended as soon as I was forced out of DD.

Laughably, he was even mad at me for "birding his sponsors", and by that he meant that I was watching closely which sponsors he had and how much money he was making. He didn't accuse me of contacting any of them about this, but rather was mad that I kept track of the situation and caught him breaking our agreement.

So he sent me the money he owed, and the "SNAPPING U OFF CLEAN" was in reference to the fact that he was snapping me off from his life.

[Mintjewlips]

I think todd has forum PTSD. He's like a battered woman getting out of an abusive relationship who thinks every man is out to get her.

I understand his demeanor, i know trolls are on his ass 24/7, but it doesn't mean every one criticizing you, or making a joke at your expense(breaking balls), or even giving you zinger or 2 is out to "troll" you. He's been trolled for years so his automatic response to anyone making fun of him is to call them trolls and dupes (ie the battered woman syndrome), mean while he has dupes on PFA!, and has admitted on radio to having conversations with himself on threads where he responds to one of his dupes with another. How hypocritical.

You just lash out at anyone making fun of you, call them trolls and make paragraph long points on misconstrued facts, one of which is my "terrible trolling". I'm assuming you think im trolling chaps?, if so you are making my point. That was already explained and i was not, am not trolling him, i called him an owl fucker and he's still tilting about it a week later. I'm not to blame for his or anyone else's shenanigans.

C'mon man, almost all of your posts here contain some kind of weak trolling, and the worst part is that it always involves insults that you've stolen from others in the past.

You are a dupe because you are hiding who you were before, and hiding the online identity we knew you under. It doesn't matter if you never had an account on PFA before (a claim I doubt anyway). NWP/DD/PFA... it's all pretty much the same shit with the same people, and you know it.

I don't mind when a guy who was a troll or an idiot in the past chooses a new name in order to get a "fresh start" here and leave negative impressions behind, but when you create a new identity just to troll with unoriginal and overused platitudes, the whole thing strikes me as both lame and cowardly.

If you want to razz Chaps about owls or whatever, at least have the balls to say who you are/were.

Ok, my real name is Daniel schreiber

[Mintjewlips]

Notice how druff never disputed him having dupes on pfa, or posting on multiple accounts on the same thread.

:tightlife

[bukowski72]

If Mint is really Rekrul this thread is jumped into the next dimension.




Any thread started about Jewdonk is God. NSFW

 

[chinamaniac]

Views: 5,014

[limitles]

Im not a "dupe".

I've never had an account on PFA.

Just because i had an account on donkdown doesn't make me a "dupe" on PFA.

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone.

You say I've done nothing but make horrible post yet Dj chaps is posting about molesting little boys and you don't even flinch. You really are a bit childish in the way you react to criticism or ball breaking.

"YOUR SON" is an inside joke. Thank you for proving that you're just a sad outsider hiding behind a smelly trash dupe. GL on OSP, scumshit.

An inside joke? No one talks to you anymore, who could it be inside with?

Way confusing. I talk to him more, but no wanty any inside shite.

Pupil awaits.

[MumblesBadly]

any chance youd post the whole story about the contract negotiations? would love to hear about the crazy terms and conditions micon and martha tried to get added to the agreement and their arguments for said terms and conditions (like how they tried to justify them and what they said when you turned them down, etc). and also how yall arrived at the buyout amount.

The whole story is much less exciting than you're probably picturing.

Basically I wrote the contract using my best Finklestein impression, and shipped it over to Micon to sign. He handed it to Martha, who made a bunch of changes and shipped it back.

While I accepted a few of the changes, the ones that really bothered me were punitive in nature. Basically she inserted a lot of terms saying, "If Druff does X, then Micon no longer has to keep to term Y." So basically there were punishments inserted for various behaviors, and many of them were subjective and would be hard for me to disprove.

For example, I remember one of them involved me using the dandruff@donkdown.com e-mail (something Micon agreed to keep live for 2 years) for anything "officially" representing Donkdown. I was happy to sign that I wasn't going to pretend to be part of DD anymore (why would I, anyway?), but I wasn't going to agree to penalties if they claimed that I did it. All it would take would be some fabricated story that I was using the e-mail address to pretend I was still affiliated with DD, and then they would have justification to break terms of the contract. No fucking way I was going for that.

Even worse, there was nothing punitive against Micon in the contract for breaking terms on his side. So basically they wanted me to sign something where there were punishments for me breaking my side of the agreement, but no punishment against Micon for breaking his.

Just to be sure I wasn't crazy, I actually took the Martha-revised contract to an attorney friend of my dad's. The guy wasn't willing to do free legal work for me, but he was willing to look it over and see if he thought it was full of shit. He instantly pointed out the punitive stuff as inequitable, and told me I would be a fool if I signed it.

So I re-modified it, removed the punitive stuff, and told Micon that I would only sign if that stuff was out. He reluctantly agreed, but more just to have the whole thing out of his hair. He didn't admit I was right about it.

Regarding the lowball $1200 figure, I knew I was getting screwed, but I just wanted out. What was most important to me at the time was that, upon my exit, Micon wouldn't "relax" the rules and allow various trolls to plaster my family's info up there everywhere. Basically I wanted any personal info related to me and my family to be 100% off limits once I left the site. So I decided I was willing to give up some money in order to incentivize Micon to agree.

Micon admitted on the phone to me that $1200 was a LOL figure for 26.4% of the site. Mind you, the site was making about $1000 per month profit at the time, and Micon believed that my departure would only make things better (so he never argued that my leaving would devalue it). I pointed out to him that it would take less than 6 weeks to make back the $1200 he would pay me, and what a severe undervalue that was. His response was pretty much, "Yeah, but that's all I can afford now, and I can't even afford that."

Even worse, the money took months to receive, and I only got it after I pressured him. So I actually sold him my 26.4% on credit, which again shows how much I wanted out.

The contract did have terms which allowed me to void the sale if he didn't both pay me 100% of DD profits until the $1200 was met, AND get the entire thing done within 6 months. That is, he was required to not keep a penny of DD profits until I was fully paid, and that even if DD failed to profit, he still owed it within 6 months.

I found out by keeping track of the site's sponsors that he was making money, and still wasn't paying me. I was furious when I learned that the money went toward buying DD trucker caps to sell people, which was against the agreement. (He wasn't allowed to use any of the profits to reinvest in or enhance the site until I was paid.)

After a lot of pressure, he agreed to ship me the money, and on the Wells Fargo statement, it said "SNAPPING U OFF CLEAN" in the descriptor.

This actually meant more than you might realize. Up until I demanded the money after I received nothing for a few months (and found he was reinvesting the site's profits in hats), Micon was under the delusion that we were still friends despite all that had happened. When I was refusing to let him worm out of paying me immediately upon finding that out, he felt like I was an insensitive jerk, and told me he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. Obviously I didn't care, as I felt our friendship ended as soon as I was forced out of DD.

Laughably, he was even mad at me for "birding his sponsors", and by that he meant that I was watching closely which sponsors he had and how much money he was making. He didn't accuse me of contacting any of them about this, but rather was mad that I kept track of the situation and caught him breaking our agreement.

So he sent me the money he owed, and the "SNAPPING U OFF CLEAN" was in reference to the fact that he was snapping me off from his life.

I know a few people who willingly accepted bad deals to speed up getting divorced from abusers.

[mulva]

i need to make some contribution to this thread.

[nunbeater]

Im not a "dupe".

I've never had an account on PFA.

Just because i had an account on donkdown doesn't make me a "dupe" on PFA.

I'm not trying to "troll" anyone.

You say I've done nothing but make horrible post yet Dj chaps is posting about molesting little boys and you don't even flinch. You really are a bit childish in the way you react to criticism or ball breaking.

"YOUR SON" is an inside joke. Thank you for proving that you're just a sad outsider hiding behind a smelly trash dupe. GL on OSP, scumshit.

An inside joke? No one talks to you anymore, who could it be inside with?

The only joke inside mintjewlips son is DJ Chaps dick