Robert Pickering Needs to Learn Some Manners

[Pooh]

You guys are seriously missing the point and selling Tyde short.

-He absolutely realized what was gonna happen here.

-He knew that he had to blow up his own spot to burn down ROBERT PIKERING @ RMS BOAT REPAIR in SAN DIEGO (formerly of DIVE MULEGE).

-He knows how much (or how little) time it will take to rebuild another side, re-branded under a different name.

-He fully expected the trolls to come out of the woodwork (and the fake, "we are on your side" at first, but will "turn on you later", from those same trolls) Look how the op brought people long gone back into the fold.

-He probably already has his new site ready or nearly ready, but what about ROBERT PICKERING? He will have a HELL of a lot more lost business and expense if he decides to move B+M Biz and rebrand.

-He probably already had plans to move back north soon (Sorry tyde, I have my doubts about your visa, but know I am on your side) its not your fault ROBERT PICKERING didn't do his due diligence fully vetting his vendors, nor is it your fault that he doesn't like the hours you keep (none of his fucking business, ITS YOUR BUSINESS, YOU LITERALLY OWN IT, RUN IT AS YOU SEE FIT).

-Lastly it isn't his fault that he was being persistent and called twice (easily coulda been in a valley and went to VM for other reasons than being purposely routed to VM via handset) which made ROBERT PICKERING go bananas and seemingly resort to not only threatening Tydes LIVELIHOOD but also resorting to threats of deportation or worse.

Fuck ROBERT PICKERING to pieces, seriously. He could have done the chargeback without blustery threats and jackass aplomb: insinuating bodily harm, imprisonment, loss of time and wages, danger to home and property etc.....ad nauseam when the thought of Mexican police or worse Mexican cartel is mentioned. Remember, this is over less than $1500 (less than most of us gambled away on NYE prob). Simply chargeback and fuck off with the bully act bud. I've been in my field for 17 years, owned my company for the last 7. You will run into people you cant make happy, and this guy is one of them 100%. He advertises on CL lol. I have Yellowpages and different media companies take care of my advertising and websites. Its how legitimate business is ran in 2016 bud, try it.

This is business, not poker. WORLD WIDE Website design is not a zero sum game, at least, not in the beginning.....The possibilities are endless. HOWEVER! The local Boat repair shop scene in San Diego IS much more of a zero sum game. The fear of repercussions from this silly thread on his LOCAL REPAIR SHOP might keep ROBERT PICKERING up at night (mad as hell) is my guess. Tyde will get ripped and sleep like a baby. His new site under a new brand will be up when he needs to make money again. I make no claims on his expertise or the quality of his product. But ROBERT PICKERINGS aberrant behaviour is obvious. Threats and duress directed at vendors is no way to handle business, regardless of what led up to that.

You guys seriously selling Tyde short, hes a gypsy that loves moving on, he could already be back in Cali (only druff knows).....wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Anyways, I cant believe I typed that many words lol.....peace.

Appreciate the effort but you're giving Marty waaaaaaaay too much credit here lol.

[jsearles22]

So I've had a few suggestions I should change the thread title here, so as to not make this SEO as high for Pickering's name. Keep in mind that I am NOT considering censoring Pickering's name from the thread. That will remain. I'm just talking about the thread title.

Arguments for changing thread title:

- To an unbiased observer, it seems difficult to see who is right or wrong in this situation. In fact, the most likely scenario seems that there is some fault on both sides. Therefore, as this wasn't an outright scam, it doesn't seem fair to allow this site to SEO Pickering's name like this.

- Pickering has not been slamming Marty publicly.

- This seems to be a private dispute between Marty and Pickering, so Marty shouldn't be able to use PFA as a tool to SEO Pickering's name like this.



Arguments against changing the thread title:

- By Pickering's own admission, he is attempting to get Marty in trouble with Mexican immigration, which is a dick move regarding a small-dollar business dispute.

- There seem to be a number of complaints about Pickering's business practices from people other than Marty, so he doesn't seem like an innocent victim here.

- Tyde has brought the hits, and should have the right to blow up the name of a jerk threatening to get him deported.



Comments?

If you are allowing Pickerings full name, you should also allow Marty's full name. Pickering never made this public. Marty did. That's the difference. Pickering might be a complete dick, but he acted SOMEWHAT professional and kept private business private. Marty wants to do something like this....allow his full name out also.

Precisely this. Please address this Druff

[Pooh]

Never mind changing the title. This fucking thread shouldn't be up period. Sure Pickering is an apparent douchebag but he did nothing public to marty. He made a few threats via vm, who gives a fuck. I guarantee Druff has threatened much worse in his previous dealings.

Pickering didn't scam anyone. He wasn't happy with the site and how marty worked so he asked for his money back. When Marty didn't refund he snapped, charged back and make some stupid threats. BFD.

Fuck Pickering. Fuck Marty. And fuck this thread.

[Dan Druff]

So I've had a few suggestions I should change the thread title here, so as to not make this SEO as high for Pickering's name. Keep in mind that I am NOT considering censoring Pickering's name from the thread. That will remain. I'm just talking about the thread title.

Arguments for changing thread title:

- To an unbiased observer, it seems difficult to see who is right or wrong in this situation. In fact, the most likely scenario seems that there is some fault on both sides. Therefore, as this wasn't an outright scam, it doesn't seem fair to allow this site to SEO Pickering's name like this.

- Pickering has not been slamming Marty publicly.

- This seems to be a private dispute between Marty and Pickering, so Marty shouldn't be able to use PFA as a tool to SEO Pickering's name like this.



Arguments against changing the thread title:

- By Pickering's own admission, he is attempting to get Marty in trouble with Mexican immigration, which is a dick move regarding a small-dollar business dispute.

- There seem to be a number of complaints about Pickering's business practices from people other than Marty, so he doesn't seem like an innocent victim here.

- Tyde has brought the hits, and should have the right to blow up the name of a jerk threatening to get him deported.



Comments?

If you are allowing Pickerings full name, you should also allow Marty's full name. Pickering never made this public. Marty did. That's the difference. Pickering might be a complete dick, but he acted SOMEWHAT professional and kept private business private. Marty wants to do something like this....allow his full name out also.

That's also a good point, and something that should be considered.

Marty's full name has been censored from the site for a long time.

Basically, Marty approached me awhile ago (a long time before he dealt with Pickering) and told me that this site was SEOing high for his name, and it was affecting his ability to do business.

While Marty did make his own name public many years ago, and definitely is the source of most of his own problems, I understood where he was coming from. I have an asshole trying hard (and succeeding) to SEO my name, and I understand how frustrating this can be. I don't want this site to hurt anyone aside from scammers and other criminals, so I told Marty I would censor his name to where everyone here would understand it (it changed to Curacao) but google wouldn't index it to his real name.

So that was done.

I will admit that I was irritated when Marty recently returned to the site and mocked me about what Chucky was doing to me (the SEO job on MY name). I told Marty that I would remove the filter on his name if he thought such attacks were so hilarious.

But I do understand your point that Marty's name should also be fair game if he's using the site to call out someone else by name.

[Muck Ficon]

If you are allowing Pickerings full name, you should also allow Marty's full name. Pickering never made this public. Marty did. That's the difference. Pickering might be a complete dick, but he acted SOMEWHAT professional and kept private business private. Marty wants to do something like this....allow his full name out also.

That's also a good point, and something that should be considered.

Marty's full name has been censored from the site for a long time.

Basically, Marty approached me awhile ago (a long time before he dealt with Pickering) and told me that this site was SEOing high for his name, and it was affecting his ability to do business.

While Marty did make his own name public many years ago, and definitely is the source of most of his own problems, I understood where he was coming from. I have an asshole trying hard (and succeeding) to SEO my name, and I understand how frustrating this can be. I don't want this site to hurt anyone aside from scammers and other criminals, so I told Marty I would censor his name to where everyone here would understand it (it changed to Curacao) but google wouldn't index it to his real name.

So that was done.

I will admit that I was irritated when Marty recently returned to the site and mocked me about what Chucky was doing to me (the SEO job on MY name). I told Marty that I would remove the filter on his name if he thought such attacks were so hilarious.

But I do understand your point that Marty's name should also be fair game if he's using the site to call out someone else by name.

This is a lot more than name calling and not liking someone. This was a PRIVATE business deal where money exchanged hands. This wasn't some random guy who just hated Marty and picked a fight. Keep that in mind.

[Pooh]

If you are allowing Pickerings full name, you should also allow Marty's full name. Pickering never made this public. Marty did. That's the difference. Pickering might be a complete dick, but he acted SOMEWHAT professional and kept private business private. Marty wants to do something like this....allow his full name out also.

That's also a good point, and something that should be considered.

Marty's full name has been censored from the site for a long time.

Basically, Marty approached me awhile ago (a long time before he dealt with Pickering) and told me that this site was SEOing high for his name, and it was affecting his ability to do business.

While Marty did make his own name public many years ago, and definitely is the source of most of his own problems, I understood where he was coming from. I have an asshole trying hard (and succeeding) to SEO my name, and I understand how frustrating this can be. I don't want this site to hurt anyone aside from scammers and other criminals, so I told Marty I would censor his name to where everyone here would understand it (it changed to Curacao) but google wouldn't index it to his real name.

So that was done.

I will admit that I was irritated when Marty recently returned to the site and mocked me about what Chucky was doing to me (the SEO job on MY name). I told Marty that I would remove the filter on his name if he thought such attacks were so hilarious.

But I do understand your point that Marty's name should also be fair game if he's using the site to call out someone else by name.

Yet this Pickering guy is okay yet he is neither a scammer or criminal. Every fucking business will have unhappy customers whether deserved or not. If you haven't dealt with the business yourself then anything you read on the internet or hear from other people is fucking hearsay.

[Hockey Guy]

Let's also mention the FACT that the guy told him to stop work on it & keep the first payment & refund the last 2 payments & Marty somehow "finished" it anyway.

This is just a business deal gone wrong with a difference of opinion. Unless he has an "ironclad contract", as somebody alluded to earlier in the thread, he should have taken that deal & moved on. Not sure what he thought was possibly going to happen after that.

Also lol at anybody continually bringing up the, admittedly, douchey voicemail. It really was pretty tame & it's pretty obvious where in the timeline of emails it occurred & was looooong after that first email & well after the 4 days it took for Marty to respond so it's pretty lol to claim that it took 4 days to respond for the reasons he gave earlier in this thread.

[tyde]

You guys are seriously missing the point and selling Tyde short.

-He absolutely realized what was gonna happen here.

-He knew that he had to blow up his own spot to burn down ROBERT PIKERING @ RMS BOAT REPAIR in SAN DIEGO (formerly of DIVE MULEGE).

-He knows how much (or how little) time it will take to rebuild another side, re-branded under a different name.

-He fully expected the trolls to come out of the woodwork (and the fake, "we are on your side" at first, but will "turn on you later", from those same trolls) Look how the op brought people long gone back into the fold.

-He probably already has his new site ready or nearly ready, but what about ROBERT PICKERING? He will have a HELL of a lot more lost business and expense if he decides to move B+M Biz and rebrand.

-He probably already had plans to move back north soon (Sorry tyde, I have my doubts about your visa, but know I am on your side) its not your fault ROBERT PICKERING didn't do his due diligence fully vetting his vendors, nor is it your fault that he doesn't like the hours you keep (none of his fucking business, ITS YOUR BUSINESS, YOU LITERALLY OWN IT, RUN IT AS YOU SEE FIT).

-Lastly it isn't his fault that he was being persistent and called twice (easily coulda been in a valley and went to VM for other reasons than being purposely routed to VM via handset) which made ROBERT PICKERING go bananas and seemingly resort to not only threatening Tydes LIVELIHOOD but also resorting to threats of deportation or worse.

Fuck ROBERT PICKERING to pieces, seriously. He could have done the chargeback without blustery threats and jackass aplomb: insinuating bodily harm, imprisonment, loss of time and wages, danger to home and property etc.....ad nauseam when the thought of Mexican police or worse Mexican cartel is mentioned. Remember, this is over less than $1500 (less than most of us gambled away on NYE prob). Simply chargeback and fuck off with the bully act bud. I've been in my field for 17 years, owned my company for the last 7. You will run into people you cant make happy, and this guy is one of them 100%. He advertises on CL lol. I have Yellowpages and different media companies take care of my advertising and websites. Its how legitimate business is ran in 2016 bud, try it.

This is business, not poker. WORLD WIDE Website design is not a zero sum game, at least, not in the beginning.....The possibilities are endless. HOWEVER! The local Boat repair shop scene in San Diego IS much more of a zero sum game. The fear of repercussions from this silly thread on his LOCAL REPAIR SHOP might keep ROBERT PICKERING up at night (mad as hell) is my guess. Tyde will get ripped and sleep like a baby. His new site under a new brand will be up when he needs to make money again. I make no claims on his expertise or the quality of his product. But ROBERT PICKERINGS aberrant behaviour is obvious. Threats and duress directed at vendors is no way to handle business, regardless of what led up to that.

You guys seriously selling Tyde short, hes a gypsy that loves moving on, he could already be back in Cali (only druff knows).....wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Anyways, I cant believe I typed that many words lol.....peace.

what a huge slam dunk post

Ricky gets it

as far as Pickering's name being posted here.....I had two options.....leave the screen shots from his emails the way they are, or spend some time editing them not to reveal his name.

I decided on the first option because I was furious about being threatened personally.

He went as far as to say 'I know where you live', and then dropping veiled threats about cartel members he is supposedly chummy with, and some chick named 'Stacy' (no clue who that is), and then finally the whole immigration ultimatums.

To clarify again....not once before he unloaded on me in that voicemail and all his threatening emails did he indicate he was unhappy, other than expressing the urgency of getting his email address set up.....he never mentioned that he was unsatisfied in the least.

This entire thread doesn't exist if he makes a quick phone call to his domain registrar. (GoDaddy) for a quick password reset....that's the bottom line here.

As for my full name being posted here....I asked Druff to prevent it from being posted here for reasons that have nothing to do with Pickering. It' because there are a handful of lowlifes on this site that will make attempts to negatively SEO my name just for the fuck of it.

If Todd want's to edit this assholes name, I really don't care to be honest. I wanted to dump this exchange on PFA only because he deserved to be outted for being a complete prick.

I had been professional, tactful, and delivered on each and every promise I made to him, and his site was launch ready other than the fact he had provided zero content, and refused to reset his password.

China and 3 others here who I speak to on a regular basis saw his site, and were in agreement that it looked awesome

and I love how the only posters here that are bashing me , and trying to spin the events and facts as if I am some scammer....are oddly enough are same fools who are completely anonymous, faceless trolls with zero accountability.

Finally, Druff just stated that 'I made my name public years ago'...that is false. My name was made public by other posters (Bob, adamantium, Thomas etc) and plenty of others. Not once did I 'volunteer' my full name here.

isn't it funny how every last poster who is making disparaging remarks and posting screen shots of my LinkedIn etc....are the same anonymous idiots who never show up here unless I make a post.

such chickenshit pussy motherfuckers

[Crowe Diddly]

Allowing Marty to SEO this guy while very specifically (hell, you have it coded into the forum) disallowing anyone else from doing this to him, at Marty's specific request, is all sorts of unfair and bullshit, esp considering the guy has no beef with this site, nothing to do with poker, and has no interest in being part of our community.


Equal treatment under the forum law, Druff. The guy might be a dick, a con, an asshole, etc, but Marty cold-called the dude himself, and started this whole thing. If Pickering is to be SEO'd, let the master website designer do it himself on his own site. LEtting him use your site for this makes you look hypocritical, considering you wouldn't let Pickering (or anyone else )do it to MArty.

[OSA]

Considering what Crackino has done to you Druff and your family, I am surprised you are even remotely in his corner.


You guys must be friends or at the very least you are Marty's puppet and does what he asks.

[Dan Druff]

I'm going to tell you guys a story about my bad experience with a web design firm, as it kinda relates to this one.

In 2010, we decided to hire a web design firm to make Donkdown both look better and become a bit more user-friendly. They claimed to be experts in phpBB and SEO, and their portfolio looked good. They also seemed to have a good reputation. They were located in Thailand, but the owner was an American who moved there and took a Thai wife (who was also the lead web designer). reggiman (then-part-owner of DD) found and hired them.

However, reggiman made a bad decision by prepaying BOTH for the web design and the SEO work, even though the SEO job was not to begin until the web design work was complete. I am of the belief you should never prepay for a second job until the first job is complete (or at least near complete), but that's what happened. reggiman said that he prepaid both because the company seemed to be very legit and he thought it was highly unlikely they would screw us.

It turned out that this company was good at standard web design, but terrible with forums. Basically they were fine at slapping up a phpBB forum for a new customer and customizing it a bit, but they were horrible at taking an existing forum and doing the heavy modifications we were asking for. They thought they could, but they actually couldn't. They put a lot of time and effort into our job, but the result was still crap. It looked pretty good, but it functioned horribly, as they induced bugs and it was way too graphic-intensive (to where every page loaded really slowly, even when cached).

We tried to work with them on correcting these problems, but they became increasingly annoyed with us and started getting slower and slower (likely de-prioritizing our job since we were both prepaid and taking a long time). Eventually after MONTHS passed without progress, we decided to be done with the job. They just didn't have the skills to complete it properly.

To be fair to the company, we decided to let them keep the web design money (even though we had to throw the work in the garbage), and simply asked for the SEO money back (for a job they hadn't STARTED yet).

I thought this was actually a generous offer on our part, as basically we were paying for all the work already done, and simply wanted our money back for a SECOND job that they hadn't started yet.

Shockingly, the owner refused, telling us that there was a "50% kill fee" for the SEO job!

There was nothing in our original agreement about a "kill fee". And we didn't get a discount on the first job by having the second job. There was absolutely no reason to be holding ANY part of our money for the SEO job. They hadn't spent one single minute on this job, and we deserved all the money back.

The guy was just being a dick because they spent a shitload of time on our job, perceived us as the "customer who couldn't be satisfied" (when in reality they were delivering a non-functional product), and he felt that somehow he "deserved" this extra money. He blamed us for the length of the job, saying that "4 different owners giving input made the project drag" (which wasn't true, as there was only one person communicating with them most of the way). In addition, businesses (even large ones) HATE refunding money already collected, as they already have it on the books as "theirs" and feel like they are reaching into their pockets to refund you (as opposed to when you owe them, where they don't have your money yet).

We went back and forth about this for a long time, and he wouldn't budge. Finally he just put us on ignore and stopped responding to us.

Finally reggiman discovered that American Express (which he used to pay) allows chargebacks LONG after the purchase, so he charged the ENTIRE job back (not just the SEO part). American Express sided with us, and we got the entire job refunded through them.

Surprisingly, Micon said at first that we should then return the money for the first job to the guy, as we had originally agreed to pay that. I countered that we were doing the guy a favor by paying him for work we couldn't use, but that we no longer owe him that courtesy after he tried to cheat us. Micon responded, "We are going to act like gentlemen, even if he won't."

I again countered that I refuse to give a penny back to a guy who tried to scam us. reggiman and lakingsfan12 weren't sure which side to take on this, but eventually came around to my way of thinking, and finally Micon did as well. So we never gave the guy back a penny.

So this has some similarity to the Marty/Pickering situation:

- In both situations, the customer was unhappy with the product delivered by a small web design company

- In both situations, there was a dispute whether the product delivered was done as promised

- In both situations, there were communications issues, resulting in delay of the work. Also, both sides blamed each other for the communications problems.

- In both situations, there was a dispute regarding how much money would be kept after-the-fact

- In both situations, there was a dispute regarding continuing to work on items that had been prepaid but not started yet


I will say that we never went the Pickering route of threatening to do anything aside from give them a bad review. Definitely Pickering acted inappropriately in that respect.

At the same time, I will say that if Pickering did kill the job before Marty started the rest of it, Marty should have just ended everything at that point and refunded the money from the work not done yet.

[Dan Druff]

Regarding Marty's full name, I am considering doing the following:

1) Doing a full database replace of his last name in posts prior to this thread, to where his last name is permanently censored. Right now, the software changes his last name to Curacao on the fly, but the actual last name remains in the database. This is how vBulletin works -- it wasn't my choice to do it this way. Anyway, this will solve the problem of Marty's name being associated with trolling in the past.

2) Remove the filter on Marty's last name, and allowing it to be posted in this thread.

3) Evaluating future threads whether Marty's last name should be posted, and manually censoring it if it's just being done to screw with him. So if people are just gratuitously throwing in his last name while trolling him, I will remove it. If they post his full name in a thread like this one, I'll let it stand.


I do have to admit that I see it to be unfair that Robert Pickering's name can be posted here, yet Marty's can't.

[Dan Druff]

I suppose I could alternatively edit out Robert's name from this thread in a similar fashion, but there are already tons of posts by others repeating that name (along with his business name), and it's going to be a huge pain in the ass to go through and edit all of that out as well.

[adamantium]

LOL at marty suddenly being ok with Pickerings name being sensored, I say fuck that, remove the sensoring of martys name and let him be fucked to tears

[Pooh]

LOL at marty suddenly being ok with Pickerings name being sensored, I say fuck that, remove the sensoring of martys name and let him be fucked to tears

Maybe time to fire up jewdonk.info for the lulz.

[Muck Ficon]

Regarding Marty's full name, I am considering doing the following:

1) Doing a full database replace of his last name in posts prior to this thread, to where his last name is permanently censored. Right now, the software changes his last name to Curacao on the fly, but the actual last name remains in the database. This is how vBulletin works -- it wasn't my choice to do it this way. Anyway, this will solve the problem of Marty's name being associated with trolling in the past.

2) Remove the filter on Marty's last name, and allowing it to be posted in this thread.

3) Evaluating future threads whether Marty's last name should be posted, and manually censoring it if it's just being done to screw with him. So if people are just gratuitously throwing in his last name while trolling him, I will remove it. If they post his full name in a thread like this one, I'll let it stand.


I do have to admit that I see it to be unfair that Robert Pickering's name can be posted here, yet Marty's can't.

So fix it. Delete his name from every post. I lost a lot of respect for you Druff. Considering what you have done to Marty in the past....when there was NO money involved. Remember you busting out of the WSOP and immediately driving to the ghetto of Vegas to film where Marty lived and playing the "Cops" theme song the whole time? You don't know the whole story. What you do know is Robert Pickering never wanted to be involved here. Marty forced him here. Marty did what he always does....You should know that by now Druff.

[BetCheckBet]

LOL at marty suddenly being ok with Pickerings name being sensored, I say fuck that, remove the sensoring of martys name and let him be fucked to tears

Maybe time to fire up jewdonk.info for the lulz.

You can still read the thing for old time LOLs if you know where to look :0

[Dan Druff]

Regarding Marty's full name, I am considering doing the following:

1) Doing a full database replace of his last name in posts prior to this thread, to where his last name is permanently censored. Right now, the software changes his last name to Curacao on the fly, but the actual last name remains in the database. This is how vBulletin works -- it wasn't my choice to do it this way. Anyway, this will solve the problem of Marty's name being associated with trolling in the past.

2) Remove the filter on Marty's last name, and allowing it to be posted in this thread.

3) Evaluating future threads whether Marty's last name should be posted, and manually censoring it if it's just being done to screw with him. So if people are just gratuitously throwing in his last name while trolling him, I will remove it. If they post his full name in a thread like this one, I'll let it stand.


I do have to admit that I see it to be unfair that Robert Pickering's name can be posted here, yet Marty's can't.

So fix it. Delete his name from every post. I lost a lot of respect for you Druff. Considering what you have done to Marty in the past....when there was NO money involved. Remember you busting out of the WSOP and immediately driving to the ghetto of Vegas to film where Marty lived and playing the "Cops" theme song the whole time? You don't know the whole story. What you do know is Robert Pickering never wanted to be involved here. Marty forced him here. Marty did what he always does....You should know that by now Druff.

Honestly, I see fault on both sides here.

I think Pickering definitely had the right to cancel (and charge back) the money for the jobs not yet started when he wanted the whole thing to be over, and then he also may have been justified to charge back the first job if he thought Marty didn't deliver a quality product.

However, threatening to go to Mexican immigration on him is a dick move. Just charge it back and be done with it.

At the same time, I think Marty acted inappropriately and unprofessionally in some respects.

I allowed this thread to be created because of the threats about Mexican immigration and the other stuff. If it were just a business dispute, I wouldn't have let Marty do this.

However, I am all for fairness, and I don't think it's fair that one person's name should be fair game and the other person's isn't.

[adamantium]

so be fair then

[jsearles22]

So fix it. Delete his name from every post. I lost a lot of respect for you Druff. Considering what you have done to Marty in the past....when there was NO money involved. Remember you busting out of the WSOP and immediately driving to the ghetto of Vegas to film where Marty lived and playing the "Cops" theme song the whole time? You don't know the whole story. What you do know is Robert Pickering never wanted to be involved here. Marty forced him here. Marty did what he always does....You should know that by now Druff.

Honestly, I see fault on both sides here.

I think Pickering definitely had the right to cancel (and charge back) the money for the jobs not yet started when he wanted the whole thing to be over, and then he also may have been justified to charge back the first job if he thought Marty didn't deliver a quality product.

However, threatening to go to Mexican immigration on him is a dick move. Just charge it back and be done with it.

At the same time, I think Marty acted inappropriately and unprofessionally in some respects.

I allowed this thread to be created because of the threats about Mexican immigration and the other stuff. If it were just a business dispute, I wouldn't have let Marty do this.

However, I am all for fairness, and I don't think it's fair that one person's name should be fair game and the other person's isn't.

Thoughts Tyde?