IS SEALS WITH CLUBS DONKDOWN??? (Update: Micon charged with a felony in Nevada)

[Belly Buster]

[Daredevil]

Micon just updated his gofundme with this message:


"Stressful time for the Micon family, but we are taking it one day at a time as we discuss the next move with our lawyers."

[garrett]

Micon just updated his gofundme with this message:


"Stressful time for the Micon family, but we are taking it one day at a time as we discuss the next move with our lawyers."

The wife and both families are well to do. They will convince him to man up and come back.

I would bet anybody a whole lot of money Micon does the right thing, like a man, and comes back to face his charges. I wouldn't doubt with how good a family he has, he can also bond out. He should prearrange with his family AND a bail bondsman working with his lawyers, to ensure upon his arrival he does the absolute MINIMUM of hours in the county.

If he sets it up via his lawyer and his family+bail bondsman, that he will come back enter a plea, get booked, and then bail out that he does the absolute minimum of time until the trial.

Honestly you didn't do anything violent or mean, you will get bail bro. Just keep that wife of yours happy, she is going to be your most important asset through all of this!

[JoeD]

Agreed he'll be coming back, my guess is before the WSOP, so that he can achieve the maximum center of attentioness that he always seems to want.

By the way, in my opinion, the bitcoin/statute argument raised in this thread is a legal issue that would be decided by the Judge as part of his lawyer's motion to dismiss, probably filed along with a motion to suppress evidence, if they try to go the Phua route in fighting this. Jurors only decide factual issues such as whether Micon was ever really operating Seals or just a marketing guy.

[rickastley]

Should I do it? Is it time?

blow your filthy load all over this forum zod. do it now!

[simpdog]

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

[Pooh]

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

Why can't the guy gamble? Run a site? Sure, but not letting him gamble period. Not happening imo.

[Muck Ficon]

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

Possibly. No internet access could be one too.

[JoeD]

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

With the caveat that I mostly do civil and not criminal work in California, I think the answer depends upon what kind of deal is negotiated by Micon's lawyer.

The 2 factors usually considered by Courts regarding bail is (a) risk of flight from the City/State/Country and (b) threat to society. Micon may have shot himself in the foot regarding risk of flight by moving his family to Antigua after the raid. Phua and his Chinese pals, for example, with their private jets, clearly had a flight risk and were given home detention pending the outcome of their criminal charges.

Maybe Chernoff will produce the lease that Micon says he signed prior to the raid and be successful, who knows.

An educated guess is that he would not be barred from the Casinos or live gambling as a condition of bail - though Harrahs may independently decide to do so, again who knows for sure.

He bail conditions will certainly include a surrender of his passport and an agreement to not operate a gambling site while in Nevada.

Everything else is probably still up for negotiation.

[thesidedish]

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

Why can't the guy gamble? Run a site? Sure, but not letting him gamble period. Not happening imo.

"no participating in games of chance and no entering establishments where games of chance are offered" is a standard clause for all criminals going thru the process

[Dan Druff]

The "stressful time" message on his gofundme is interesting. It must mean something.

I think he is trying to decide whether he rolls the dice and comes back to the US to defend this.

[Wiganer]

The "stressful time" message on his gofundme is interesting. It must mean something.

I think he is trying to decide whether he rolls the dice and comes back to the US to defend this.

Or it could just mean he's run out of weed

[Muck Ficon]

Wonder if there will be another divorce in Micon's future.

[Gordman]

Correct me if im wrong, but i think Gofundme may ultimately shut his campaign down per their terms and conditions.

[zealanddonk]

The "stressful time" message on his gofundme is interesting. It must mean something.

I think he is trying to decide whether he rolls the dice and comes back to the US to defend this.

100% means
"I thought you chuckleheads would donate $30k not 3k in a week and other than my true friends like Justin Wade Smith donating $5 and Stars chipping in $5 as well, you are all dicks.
The only way for me to keep my jew gold is to scam you, so wah its stressful, gimme"

[zealanddonk]

Reprinted with The Shrink's expressed permission. The Shrink is god.

I was noodling around with Micon's noodle and turned to PFA's resident mental health professional for input.

DIAGNOSIS PLEASE

Hey buddy,

Yeah, I've been pretty busy lately but I'll be back soon. I've been following the whole Micon thing and all I can say is wow. I feel your frustration in hearing Druff et al.'s tedious analysis of the legalities and justice/injustice of the debacle. That's not what we want to hear. We want hot takes like the one Drexel offered a couple of weeks ago on radio. I mean, these guys knew Micon fairly intimately so they can offer some incredible insight into what this guy might be going through.

And as you note, his current turmoil or lack thereof is going to be moderated by any kind of psychological issues he might have. The idea of a dissociative disorder is interesting but probably not quite right ("dissociative identity disorder" AKA: multiple personality disorder falls into that category).

I'm thinking probably a cluster B personality disorder. Borderline personality disorder has some dissociative characteristics to it but I don't think that describes him well. Keep in mind, I don't really know him - I can only piece together a psychological profile from years of listening to him on DonkDown and what others say/write about him. I've only met the guy for an hour at the poker table - coincidentally it was about a year before his exodus and the first thing he said to me after I introduced myself was "Have you ever tried Seals With Clubs?" Haha.

No, I'm definitely thinking narcissistic personality disorder. Now, of course poker players trade in narcissism. And I might even argue that any poker player worth his weight in salt needs a healthy dose of exaggerated sense of self-importance to succeed; but there's being narcissistic and then there's being a full blown narcissist that makes it a disorder (at least according to the DSM!).

Here are the DSM-5 criteria and you can just check each box for our favourite Antiguan bitcoin lord:

A. Significant impairments in personality functioning manifested by:

1. Impairments in self functioning (a or b):

a. Identity: Excessive reference to others for self-definition and self-esteem regulation; exaggerated self-appraisal may be inflated or deflated, or vacillate between extremes; emotional regulation mirrors fluctuations in self-esteem.

b. Self-direction: Goal-setting is based on gaining approval from others; personal standards are unreasonably high in order to see oneself as exceptional, or too low based on a sense of entitlement; often unaware of own motivations.

AND

2. Impairments in interpersonal functioning (a or b):

a. Empathy: Impaired ability to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others; excessively attuned to reactions of others, but only if perceived as relevant to self; over- or underestimate of own effect on others.

b. Intimacy: Relationships largely superficial and exist to serve self-esteem regulation; mutuality constrained by little genuine interest in others' experiences and predominance of a need for personal gain

B. Pathological personality traits in the following domain:

Antagonism, characterized by:

a. Grandiosity: Feelings of entitlement, either overt or covert; self-centeredness; firmly holding to the belief that one is better than others; condescending toward others.

b. Attention seeking: Excessive attempts to attract and be the focus of the attention of others; admiration seeking.

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I mean, the grandiosity and attention-seeking are Micon hallmarks and, as I see it, characteristics that dominate his personality that have led to his current predicament. What did Drexel say on radio? "Micon always wanted to be big time. Well, now he's big time."

That's the scary thing, his actions and their consequences might actually reinforce his narcissistic personality so it becomes a vicious cycle. Scary stuff.

DISCLAIMER: This diagnosis is tentative and based on circumstantial information. Please consult your local Antiguan mental health professional for proper psychiatric care.

Anyone read this as Marty not Micon?

[Tom]

Well this is an interesting thread.

Just thought I would pop in and say hi, add my two cents and all.

I am Tom, the owner of swcpoker.com , I am NOT the previous owner mentioned on bitcointalk forum, he is a former friend who sold me the name a while back and NO I have never used it for anything, yet...

I would like to add that while I discussed selling the name to Micon and we chatted briedly via email about my old friend, I offered it for even a little less, he wanted it but paypal did not seem to be an available option and I do not do the bitcoin thing.

What do you guys think is a viable option for it?

I wish Micon all the best I never wish anyone any harm but Brian is not quite as quick in a business sense as one would imagine he should be.

Any way, enjoying the thread

[sonatine]

What do you guys think is a viable option for it?

Why on earth would you buy such a toxic offering, and how much did Micon offer for it?

[Shizzmoney]

If Micon comes back prior to the WSOP and makes bail (then trial say in late 2015 or early 2016).....will one of his conditions be that he doesn't gamble?

That would be worse than prison for him if he couldn't play and/or go to any casinos.

I am sure his lawyers will try and get him back into casinos......but the NGC and the DA in NV will say, no.

[Belly Buster]

Well this is an interesting thread.

Just thought I would pop in and say hi, add my two cents and all.

I am Tom, the owner of swcpoker.com , I am NOT the previous owner mentioned on bitcointalk forum, he is a former friend who sold me the name a while back and NO I have never used it for anything, yet...

I would like to add that while I discussed selling the name to Micon and we chatted briedly via email about my old friend, I offered it for even a little less, he wanted it but paypal did not seem to be an available option and I do not do the bitcoin thing.

Now I am debating what to do with the name, gets some traffic of course but just like to dump it now and get my grand back I have in it.

What do you guys think is a viable option for it?

I wish Micon all the best I never wish anyone any harm but Brian is not quite as quick in a business sense as one would imagine he should be.

Any way, enjoying the thread

Hi Tom, welcome to PFA.

I suspect the domain will be of little interest. The name is tarnished and is possibly only of any use to Micon right now. I understand he has other concerns at present.

Also, it is much easier for the US government to seize a .com domain, compared to a .eu domain, so this would further devalue the domain.

I think you've overpaid by about $995.