wake up and smell the roses Mark, Jasep set up the whole thing up to steal as much as he could from the charity to gamble with, he was obsessing the whole 72 hours how he was going to AC right after the show, he couldn't wait to gamble with the kids money, it was not desperate or opportunistic it was a long Con from the get goOriginally Posted by chinamaniac
Nice stoary pal. Mine is similar except i thought i was god after luckboxing a lucky dollar mtt for a little over a grand.
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An imaginary oneI am curious as to which treatment facility he checked himself into .
Where did I say he didn't?
Scammers take chances. He took a chance rolling me and brandon and he succeeded. He faded being called out by 4bet. He faded skipping staked MTTS in November. And he faded being questioned by 22Q. It all caught up to him later. He just kept fading the deck till he got caught.
But the check is from someone else so they can get a tax write-off.
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Well if that was his mindset then he must of been living "hour by hour".
He seriously must of knew that if he bricked at the casino with the charity money, then he was facing way more than the wrath of this community. He HAD to know that some jail time was possible.
Either way he's a fucking amateur who had to know he was never getting away with ALL of this.
He still doesn't think he's a bad person....one of his first thoughts in his email/post
Originally I thought there was no premeditation....but there's now no doubt in my mind that he knew the 5k BAP was mostly gone before he started. Maybe he had 1k of it left to play with in the hope he could run it up to 5500-6000 to pay us back....but the rest was long gone.First let me say this, I do not feel like I am a bad person, but that is not important as I have done some bad things in my life and now I want to rectify those things and right my wrongs if possible.
Hate to say this, but I agree with this post.
I brought a different form of this up on the emergency show that was run here last night.
My two concerns about 22Q:
1) If this is a small charity, how could they have not been excited about this high-profile fundraiser and been salivating at the prospect of $6500 being raised? One could argue that they simply were happy to have someone raising funds on their behalf, and were thrilled to get $2021, so they didn't bother to check on the reported final total. However, there's another way of looking at it. JoeU's wife was on the board. How could they NOT have found out they were getting $6500? And if they knew they were getting $6500, why weren't they disappointed when only $2021 came in? Why didn't they ask anyone any questions? I don't believe that anyone was working with Jasep (in fact, I find this HIGHLY unlikely), but I am concerned that perhaps the charity is not run competently, and we really need answers to these questions if the community is going to make any effort to "re-donate" the lost money.
2) Why did it take so long to audit the bank accounts to prove that Jasep never submitted the money? JoeU said last night that they switched treasurers and bank accounts sometime over the past 5 months. Okay, fine. But how difficult is it to get statements from two different bank accounts, even when one is closed? I have obtained statements very quickly in the past (usually when doing my taxes), and that includes closed accounts. It just seemed like this took too long.
Once again, I don't think the 22Q Foundation is shady, and I definitely don't believe anyone there is working with Jasep.
However, if a small charity like this did not notice such a large theft, and took several days to verify that the funds were never received, that does bring up some questions as to how everything is being handled there. This is separate from the Jasep issue, but something we really should find out if people here are going to donate further money.
2) Why did it take so long to audit the bank accounts to prove that Jasep never submitted the money?
This is exactly what I thought too and should of said so in my OP.
Maybe lots is going on behind the scenes but this charity has 11 people on the board of directors and the silence is deafening now.
The only few tidbits of info we get are from one of those board members husband.
A "definite" answer to an issue this serious should of been given within 24 hours.
Druff I understand you are always going to play devils advocate and look at every avenue but I think you are way off calling out the charity and especially JoeU's wife. Just like our community, 22Q are innocent victims that asked for nothing from us. They obv were more than grateful for what we were doing in raising money and awareness. I just think this is a very bad path to travel down. 22Q and no one else had any involvement in what Johnny did. He clearly acted alone in doing these hideous things. Please don't lose faith in a very needy and good charity. We do not know what goes into running this charity, or what these people sacrifice on a daily basis. To blame them at all for not knowing what was being sent to them is idiotic. Whatever they received in the past and hopefully receive in the future I'm sure is greatly appreciated. Do not forget Johnny is the problem here, not 22Q.Hate to say this, but I agree with this post.
I brought a different form of this up on the emergency show that was run here last night.
My two concerns about 22Q:
1) If this is a small charity, how could they have not been excited about this high-profile fundraiser and been salivating at the prospect of $6500 being raised? One could argue that they simply were happy to have someone raising funds on their behalf, and were thrilled to get $2021, so they didn't bother to check on the reported final total. However, there's another way of looking at it. JoeU's wife was on the board. How could they NOT have found out they were getting $6500? And if they knew they were getting $6500, why weren't they disappointed when only $2021 came in? Why didn't they ask anyone any questions? I don't believe that anyone was working with Jasep (in fact, I find this HIGHLY unlikely), but I am concerned that perhaps the charity is not run competently, and we really need answers to these questions if the community is going to make any effort to "re-donate" the lost money.
2) Why did it take so long to audit the bank accounts to prove that Jasep never submitted the money? JoeU said last night that they switched treasurers and bank accounts sometime over the past 5 months. Okay, fine. But how difficult is it to get statements from two different bank accounts, even when one is closed? I have obtained statements very quickly in the past (usually when doing my taxes), and that includes closed accounts. It just seemed like this took too long.
Once again, I don't think the 22Q Foundation is shady, and I definitely don't believe anyone there is working with Jasep.
However, if a small charity like this did not notice such a large theft, and took several days to verify that the funds were never received, that does bring up some questions as to how everything is being handled there. This is separate from the Jasep issue, but something we really should find out if people here are going to donate further money.
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I am not blaming them for anything.Druff I understand you are always going to play devils advocate and look at every avenue but I think you are way off calling out the charity and especially JoeU's wife. Just like our community, 22Q are innocent victims that asked for nothing from us. They obv were more than grateful for what we were doing in raising money and awareness. I just think this is a very bad path to travel down. 22Q and no one else had any involvement in what Johnny did. He clearly acted alone in doing these hideous things. Please don't lose faith in a very needy and good charity. We do not know what goes into running this charity, or what these people sacrifice on a daily basis. To blame them at all for not knowing what was being sent to them is idiotic. Whatever they received in the past and hopefully receive in the future I'm sure is greatly appreciated. Do not forget Johnny is the problem here, not 22Q.
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I said earlier in this thread that the only people deserving of blame in a scam are the scammers themselves.
I still feel that way.
Jasep is the only one who should be blamed for everything that happened. I don't believe he had any accomplices.
However, the 22Q matter is a separate issue. I have been underwhelmed by their response to this, their bookkeeping, and the appearance that they did not know what was raised from the biggest fundraiser they've had in a long time (perhaps ever?)
I am not saying that the charity is shady. I am saying that perhaps the people in charge are asleep at the switch, and we really should know the answer to that before contributing further money there.
There are many great charities out there. I want to make sure that any charity supported by this community is both honest and competently run. I believe that 22Q is honest. The latter is what concerns me.
Lord of the Fraud's question has crossed my mind as well. After the numbers JoeU spit out last night i found it a bit strange that an expected $3,500 check would be shrugged off.Hate to say this, but I agree with this post.
I brought a different form of this up on the emergency show that was run here last night.
My two concerns about 22Q:
1) If this is a small charity, how could they have not been excited about this high-profile fundraiser and been salivating at the prospect of $6500 being raised? One could argue that they simply were happy to have someone raising funds on their behalf, and were thrilled to get $2021, so they didn't bother to check on the reported final total. However, there's another way of looking at it. JoeU's wife was on the board. How could they NOT have found out they were getting $6500? And if they knew they were getting $6500, why weren't they disappointed when only $2021 came in? Why didn't they ask anyone any questions? I don't believe that anyone was working with Jasep (in fact, I find this HIGHLY unlikely), but I am concerned that perhaps the charity is not run competently, and we really need answers to these questions if the community is going to make any effort to "re-donate" the lost money.
2) Why did it take so long to audit the bank accounts to prove that Jasep never submitted the money? JoeU said last night that they switched treasurers and bank accounts sometime over the past 5 months. Okay, fine. But how difficult is it to get statements from two different bank accounts, even when one is closed? I have obtained statements very quickly in the past (usually when doing my taxes), and that includes closed accounts. It just seemed like this took too long.
Once again, I don't think the 22Q Foundation is shady, and I definitely don't believe anyone there is working with Jasep.
However, if a small charity like this did not notice such a large theft, and took several days to verify that the funds were never received, that does bring up some questions as to how everything is being handled there. This is separate from the Jasep issue, but something we really should find out if people here are going to donate further money.
The simplest answer would be that the 22Q rep who helped him setup everything asked for the final tally when he got back from Borgata and he said $2,100. If she inquired further: "Oh, I thought it was $6,500." "I was just exaggerating for effect." Or perhaps Jasep said those (the poker room funds) were pledges we haven't collected the money yet.
Let's not forget this is a small, volunteer-led, charity. Their website's financials only date to 2010, so it doesn't look like bookkeeping is a high priority, which might explain the treasurer switch? If this was some grand conspiracy he would have came out and denied it immediately and whomever he was affiliaited with would have backed up whatever story he told. My feeling is that he either A) Luckboxed into not getting questioned about it, or more likely B) told some lie about it after losing the money at Borgata.
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Oh, and the only reason I mentioned JoeU's wife was because I'm assuming that 22Q had full visibility into what was raised from the podcast through her.
For example, JoeU, who was closely following the podcast, probably said, "Hey, honey, we raised $6500! Isn't that great!"
You would think at that point his wife would report that to whoever else is in charge at 22Q, and everyone would be expecting a $6500 check (or combination of checks) to roll in. When that didn't occur, why didn't anyone say anything?
Sorry if I'm coming off as cold here, but I really have been curious about these things.
Hate to say this, but I agree with this post.
I brought a different form of this up on the emergency show that was run here last night.
My two concerns about 22Q:
1) If this is a small charity, how could they have not been excited about this high-profile fundraiser and been salivating at the prospect of $6500 being raised? One could argue that they simply were happy to have someone raising funds on their behalf, and were thrilled to get $2021, so they didn't bother to check on the reported final total. However, there's another way of looking at it. JoeU's wife was on the board. How could they NOT have found out they were getting $6500? And if they knew they were getting $6500, why weren't they disappointed when only $2021 came in? Why didn't they ask anyone any questions? I don't believe that anyone was working with Jasep (in fact, I find this HIGHLY unlikely), but I am concerned that perhaps the charity is not run competently, and we really need answers to these questions if the community is going to make any effort to "re-donate" the lost money.
2) Why did it take so long to audit the bank accounts to prove that Jasep never submitted the money? JoeU said last night that they switched treasurers and bank accounts sometime over the past 5 months. Okay, fine. But how difficult is it to get statements from two different bank accounts, even when one is closed? I have obtained statements very quickly in the past (usually when doing my taxes), and that includes closed accounts. It just seemed like this took too long.
Once again, I don't think the 22Q Foundation is shady, and I definitely don't believe anyone there is working with Jasep.
However, if a small charity like this did not notice such a large theft, and took several days to verify that the funds were never received, that does bring up some questions as to how everything is being handled there. This is separate from the Jasep issue, but something we really should find out if people here are going to donate further money.
Okay. Lets keep the attention on Jasep here rather than questioning 22q.
First off, 22q is a relatively new foundation. Secondly, they were approached about a fundraiser that was going to be held for them. We had a donate button on our site that directly went to them. That money went into their account and was directly received by them. Thinking about it now, there is no indication that they knew other forums of revenue i.e poker room, direct donations to Jasep were being made. They received the 2k+ through their link and were very appreciative. How can they audit money missing that they never had coming.
The blame in accounting falls squarely on myself, Mark, and JoeU for not putting safeguards in place months ago and immediately verifying 22q received monies outside from the donation button.
In hindsight, with Jasep controlling the poker room, and the donations sent to him, there really was no possible way to account for every $ sent to him, unless he sent us every paypal transaction made.
Again, this isn't to fault anyone but us for not at the very least calling 22q after Jasep claimed he had sent the money.
I have been in touch with his probation officer today and a detective in Johnson, Rhode Island. I am not going to repeat what was revealed to me because Jasep will obviously be reading this post. I'll just say today was the start of the process.
edit: I am under the impression that 22q being a new charity (imo probably run my inexperienced officers) has led to a lot of this confusion. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER OF ANY WRONGDOING ON THERE PART.
Again, myself and others are working are asses off to see this through. Lets keep the attention of the thief who stole from us, not a start up charity that at best could be considered of being disorganized
or a smaller charity is just happy to get $2100 and even having say 50 transactions make up that $2100 will take them a month to look through depending on who has access to paypal vs bank accounts, etc.
Druff this is not customer service at a billion dollar for profit bank.
Unfortunately one consequence of having trust broken is to lose trust in everything and start questioning absolutely everything.
I think your sample Jasep scenario could have easily happened.Lord of the Fraud's question has crossed my mind as well. After the numbers JoeU spit out last night i found it a bit strange that an expected $3,500 check would be shrugged off.
The simplest answer would be that the 22Q rep who helped him setup everything asked for the final tally when he got back from Borgata and he said $2,100. If she inquired further: "Oh, I thought it was $6,500." "I was just exaggerating for effect." Or perhaps Jasep said those (the poker room funds) were pledges we haven't collected the money yet.
Let's not forget this is a small, volunteer-led, charity. Their website's financials only date to 2010, so it doesn't look like bookkeeping is a high priority, which might explain the treasurer switch? If this was some grand conspiracy he would have came out and denied it immediately and whomever he was affiliaited with would have backed up whatever story he told. My feeling is that he either A) Luckboxed into not getting questioned about it, or more likely B) told some lie about it after losing the money at Borgata.
However, if that is the way it went down, it bothers me that 22Q would have been okay with a guy "exaggerating" the donations for effect while using their name, especially since it could also easily indicate some sort of fraud.
Since we don't know what actually happened (or what lies Jasep may have told), I won't speculate too much. But I just can't see any scenario where simply accepting a check for $2021 after $6500 was announced is okay.
Props to anyone who has helped put legwork into this and followed up (abrown,drex,handicapme).
There definitely needs to be a consequence to jasep's actions AND he needs to make it right....just one doesn't suffice.
I'm going to drop the 22Q questions for now.
I don't want this thread to get derailed, as we really need to focus on the most important thing -- making sure Jasep is brought to justice for this mess.
There are a million and one small lies that could have been told (and Jasep seems like the master of the small lie). And lets not forget his PayPal screenshot showing three 22Q transactions, could be tied into whatever lie he told them. "I'll keep sending them as people send me the money." or "oh, two of the big winners in the poker room had told me they were going to donate, but they only donated a small amount and cashed out the rest."I think your sample Jasep scenario could have easily happened.
However, if that is the way it went down, it bothers me that 22Q would have been okay with a guy "exaggerating" the donations for effect while using their name, especially since it could also easily indicate some sort of fraud.
Since we don't know what actually happened (or what lies Jasep may have told), I won't speculate too much. But I just can't see any scenario where simply accepting a check for $2021 after $6500 was announced is okay.
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