PROJEKT:SEP **SCAM** (Rolled: A Jasep Saga)

[Deal]

I promise you all one thing. Jasep is different from PeterDC. He has roots. He can't run. We know too much about him. I will pressure him, I will make sure that this never disappears off the radar his entire life until he makes restitution.

I and others will make sure this impacts his real life until he realizes he has no other choice but to get a job, contact all involved and make payment arrangements.

Stand up guy. Sorry you got burned in all of this. I hope you decide to do the Druff/Drexel show for shits and giggles again.

[vegetera]

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He is living with his Gf now. He told me early Dec, he moved out of his place to "live with her to save money"I believe there was never any intent for him to leave his gf to begin with. She has an income, a home, a car (which he doen't have) and is in all likelihood supporting him.

She have two problem childs on her hands now

[donkdowndonedied]

I think the bragging about taking advantage of women was largely done to impress people on the forums. I agree it was shitty, but I believe that was more fueled by immaturity than sociopathic tendencies.

Regarding the pirated media, it was yet another lame get-rich-quick scheme that is common among low-rent, opportunistic scammers. I have to admit that pirating media and selling it is far less offensive than directly cheating individuals.

I do agree that he is backed into a corner right now, and the last two days are probably among the worst in his life -- probably only second to the ordeal following his identity theft arrest.

He is likely a sociopath. I am sure it is hard to find a job in his shoes that he actually wants to show up at, but... and I would have to figure out who pushed for the Q22 thing. It is possible he isn't _that_ bad of a guy but I dont' think Druff even knows what a sociopath is. I'd bet Jasep would be diagnosed with sociopathy. It has a high comorbidity with gambling addiction. It doesn't mean they are evil, they just don't care. There isn't a social bond. THe difference between Jasep and PeterDC is one of ability. They see people for what they are and dont' get caught up in anything. It is all string pulling. People are puppets, emotions are something you manipulate. THey are often quite charming because of this.

I mgiht be wrong. I was kicking the guy when he was down but it is hard to feel any sympathy for guys who roll charity. Stick around live poker and you'll meet lots of sociopaths. Now I agree PeterDC got off on it, but that doesn't mean the distinction between the two is one of being a sociopath or not. Not if you actually know what the word means.

This whole thing was lol the past few days with the septic tank meme etc, but I do feel a little sympathy for the guy though. All bullshit aside, prison must suck and there are people who do stuff far more damaging than this 5k or whatever it turns out he got people for. Having possible prison looming over your head must suck.

[Edward Teach]

Druff - He probably didn't realize before he clicked on it then was like oh shit and got off the site really quick. Do you have the ability to go back a few days or so to see what other IPs he's logged in or posted from so you can see a trend if he's not on a wifi network and just using his phones over the air internet?

So when is that new SrslySirius banger coming out on Jasep?

If he's on a Wifi, I would have caught it with the same IP (unless it's a Wifi somewhere else).

I am not sure if Vbulletin logs each IP of someone logging in every time. Still, most times people browse from their phone, they are just lurking. Even if they're not, the IP isn't particularly meaningful.

can you check this out with mine druff? from here now and southern West Virginia yesterday around 3:00-4:00. can that be done ?

[chinamaniac]

If he's on a Wifi, I would have caught it with the same IP (unless it's a Wifi somewhere else).

I am not sure if Vbulletin logs each IP of someone logging in every time. Still, most times people browse from their phone, they are just lurking. Even if they're not, the IP isn't particularly meaningful.

can you check this out with mine druff? from here now and southern West Virginia yesterday around 3:00-4:00. can that be done ?

Edward Teach IS GOD

[Pooh]

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

[chinamaniac]

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

He basically admitted he lost all of his net worth on radio, he made no secret his finances were depleted, I believe he even posted that in page 1 of this thread and said this was his last shot or something like that

The first page in this thread was cleverly written up to suck people in IMO

[Corrigan]

Yeah he wasn't hiding he was flat broke imo

Was pretty obvious from 1st page of thread

[NaturalBornHustler]

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

He basically admitted he lost all of his net worth on radio, he made no secret his finances were depleted, I believe he even posted that in page 1 of this thread and said this was his last shot or something like that

The first page in this thread was cleverly written up to suck people in IMO

And right after I read that I wrote this...

Even if I was a winning player, poker would be my LAST option right now if I was looking for something the build a life around.

This will probably make a great documentary, but a terrible real life story in the end.

This had disaster written all over it from jump street.

[ShadyJ]

In before CMoney posts bricks of Gold and blood diamonds with actual African blood on them to make all you wannabe ballers feel small with your paper bills.

[Steve-O]

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

I'll give my reason:

I don't like calling people out on hunches. If somebody came to me and said Jasep owes me $10k I would have alerted the right people so the BAP wouldn't go. What i had was a hunch he was broke/indebted; couple that with my "bad" read that he was a straight-shooter, and you can see why I stayed quiet. NOW, if someone I didn't really know contacted me and said what do you think of this BAP I would say what I said initially, "I've done several transactions with Jasep and never had an issue.". My unwillingness to expound on this should be their warning. If somebody I knew and trusted came to me I would have voiced my concerns to them privately, with the caveat that I have no proof of any of this

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

Jasep's got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one.

HIT ME

[ShadyJ]

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

Fuckin Pooh always bringin it with the common sense shit

[ShadyJ]

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

In everyones defense when I made a thread just asking where the Templar was I got pounded by just about everyone. One idiot who I forget was even offering me money if he was a scammer because he was so sure The Templar was legit.

[pikachar]

In before CMoney posts bricks of Gold and blood diamonds with actual African blood on them to make all you wannabe ballers feel small with your paper bills.

jasep tried that... see below

(URGENT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL)

COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON

Good Day!

I am the manager of bills and exchange at the foriegn remittance department of the (ABN AMRO BANK AMSTERDAM ). I am writting you this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to carry out this transaction. We discovered some abandoned sum $15,500,000(FIFTEEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND U.S DOLLAR ) in an account that belongs to one of our foriegn customer who died along-side his entire family in march this year in a terrorist train bomb blast in Spain some few months ago.Since this development,we have advertised for his next of kin or any close relation to come forward to claim this money,but nobody came yet to apply for the claim.

To this effect,i and other official in my department have decided to look for a trusted foriegn partner who can stand in as the next of kin of the deceased as we cannot do it only ourselves and claim this money.We need a foreign partner to apply for the claim on our behalf because of the fact that the customer was a foreign and we don't want this money to go into the treasury as unclaimed fund.

Every document to effect this process will emanate from my table and i will perfect every document to be in accordance with the banking law and guideline,so you have nothing to worry about and we have agreed that 30% of this money will be for you,while 10%will be for any expenses incured on both sides wihile 60% will be for my colleagues and me. If you are willing to help us,please indicate by replying this letter and putting in your name, private telephone number,fax and permanent residential address via my private email address below.I awaits your immediate response to enable us start this transaction as soon as i recieved your reply,i will send you a text application form for immediate APPLICATIION OF CLAIM.

Please contact me even if you are not intrested in my proposal to you to enable us scout for another partner in the event of non-interest on your part. Thanks for your co-operation

[Drexel]

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He is living with his Gf now. He told me early Dec, he moved out of his place to "live with her to save money"I believe there was never any intent for him to leave his gf to begin with. She has an income, a home, a car (which he doen't have) and is in all likelihood supporting him.

She have two problem childs on her hands now

Best poster by far in the entire country of Sweden

He is likely a sociopath. I am sure it is hard to find a job in his shoes that he actually wants to show up at, but... and I would have to figure out who pushed for the Q22 thing.

He approached JoeU (whose daughter is stricken with 22q) about doing the charity podcast. JoeU asked him why he was doing something so big, that involved so much time and effort for a cause he had just learned about. Jaseps response was that he hoped if he ever need help (referring to a medical problem from the context JoeU indicated) he had hoped others would do the same.

The above was told to me on the phone by JoeU himself, not by a 3rd party source.

Edward Teach IS GOD

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

He made it clear in my eyes he was broke. Now broke to me is a relative term. It was never explained, nor was I privy to whether he was completely busted broke or broke that he had no poker bankroll..i.e. meaning not enough for a couple of buyins.

I said on radio last night that to me the term broke is different than others may view it. I know when I have been down in my life to 5k-10k in cash I consider that close to broke. I know other poker players who consider themselves in bad financial shape and have used the term close to broke with 15-25k to their names. Of course, this is not considering the different monthly nut everyone has.

The best way to put this, before the BAP started and other developments came out, if someone would have asked me what his liquid cash at hand was, I would have guessed 2k-3k. I may just be naive. Steve O indicated in a earlier post that he had enough money to live, pay bills, eat, child support etc for a month.

Interesting tidbit though. I am sorry I had not mentioned this. Kevin relayed to me on the phone 3 days ago that Johnny had been living with his mother. There was no mortgage or properties.

Johnny never mentioned to myself or Mark he had been living with his Mom for an extended period of time (last year, years?). In fact, he inferred otherwise to us and on radio as well.

Not sure if this was done due to feeling embarrassment.

So unless there was some agreement with his mother, I will assume he was living there rent free and his biggest and only nut would be child support (and this is something he has talked about openly)

[The_PHA]

She have two problem childs on her hands now

Best poster by far in the entire country of Sweden

He is likely a sociopath. I am sure it is hard to find a job in his shoes that he actually wants to show up at, but... and I would have to figure out who pushed for the Q22 thing.

He approached JoeU (whose daughter is stricken with 22q) about doing the charity podcast. JoeU asked him why he was doing someone so big, that involved so much time and effort for a cause he had just learned about. Jaseps response was that he hoped if he ever need help (referring to a medical problem from the context JoeU indicated) he had hoped others would do the same.

The above was told to me on the phone by JoeU himself, not by a 3rd party source.

Edward Teach IS GOD

I'm only on page 50 so if somebody asked this then I apologize.

If everybody knew they guy was flat broke then why didn't you call him out on it. I'm talking about the well respected forum members not the trolls. Everyone else was to believe the guy, while not the richest dude in the world, still made enough to pay his child support, mortgage (he said he had a six figure mortgage) and other living expenses. Nobody would have invested in a completely broke fuck if they knew this.

He made it clear in my eyes he was broke. Now broke to me is a relative term. It was never explained, nor was I privy to whether he was completely busted broke or broke that he had no poker bankroll..i.e. meaning not enough for a couple of buyins.

I said on radio last night that to me the term broke is different than others may view it. I know when I have been down in my life to 5k-10k in cash I consider that close to broke. I know other poker players who consider themselves in bad financial shape and have used the term close to broke with 15-25k to their names. Of course, this is not considering the different monthly nut everyone has.

The best way to put this, before the BAP started and other developments came out, if someone would have asked me what his liquid cash at hand was, I would have guessed 2k-3k. I may just be naive. Steve O indicated in a earlier post that he had enough money to live, pay bills, eat, child support etc for a month.

Interesting tidbit though. I am sorry I had not mentioned this. Kevin relayed to me on the phone 3 days ago that Johnny had been living with his mother. There was no mortgage or properties.

Johnny never mentioned to myself or Mark he had been living with his Mom for an extended period of time (last year, years?). In fact, he inferred otherwise to us and on radio as well.

Not sure if this was done due to feeling embarrassment.

So unless there was some agreement with his mother, I will assume he was living there rent free and his biggest and only nut would be child support (and this is something he has talked about openly)

[The_PHA]

You are yesterday's news pal.

[Anal_Hershiser]

Also, this is NOT a defense at all of Jasep, but I don't think he is a sociopathic scammer. That's more what peterdc is. After the full story came out, I could tell Peter's scamming was a lifestyle choice that gave him some sick enjoyment. Recall that Peter could have easily married his phone-sex-company-owning girlfriend and been set for life with a woman who was worth well over 10 million dollars. Instead, he resorted to scamming other people and even stealing from her.

I equate Jasep with Erick Lindgren, just on a much smaller scale (and with much less poker talent than Erick).

Both would pay the money they owed if they had it. Both delude themselves into thinking that scamming is just a temporary means to getting whole financially, and they'll eventually make it right without anyone being the wiser. Both have major gambling problems and will step on anyone to keep themselves in action.

In Jasep's case, I think he has a fantasy of being a winning poker pro. He is probably both a losing player and someone with -EV pit gambling problem, as well. Every time he takes a loan from a friend, every time he runs a stake that is actually paying off previous stakes or life expenses, every time he lies, every time he steals, he probably talks himself into believing that he will pay everyone back when he inevitably "stops running bad" and becomes the winning player he thinks he already is.

This is why he was still communicating with people as recently as yesterday afternoon. He is still deluding himself that he can (dishonestly) scratch up the 5k, bail himself out of this BAP mess, and somehow keep enough supporters to where they will give him another shot in the future. He hasn't quite accepted the fact that this is really the end of his gambling-by-borrowing career.

In Jasep's mind, the victims here are just temporary, provided he can still keep playing poker and "make things right" eventually. I'm sure he believes that he would have righted the ship had this not been outed by the "assholes" of this forum, much like Howard Lederer and Ray Bitar believed that Full Tilt would have restored everyone's money had that pesky DOJ not busted them shortly after they stole it all.

I believe there are two types of scammers out there -- sociopathic scammers, and opportunistic scammers.

Sociopathic scammers are people like Justin Smith and Peterdc. They actually scam because they enjoy it. It's a lifestyle to them.

Opportunistic scammers are people who don't enjoy scamming, but see it as a means of a way out of their financial messes. These people wouldn't scam if they were financially sound, but see scamming as a reasonable option to bail themselves out of bad money situations. That's where I put Jasep.

How on earth can you make an argument that the guy isn't a sociopath? He has been lying for years. To some of the people he is closest too. Opportunistic scammers don't lie and steal from lifelong friends. He is STILL lying. Do you honestly think that he didn't know he was gonna scam that charity from the second he got involved? *edit* after seeing Drexel's above post, it looks like it was his idea. ROFL. He's not a sociopathic scammer? Yeah, ok.

Jasep at :10 when he heard the 22q thing was happening.



He is scamming new people to pay back the people he just scammed. An opportunistic scammer doesn't send back a mistake deposit to their bank account. An opportunistic scammer scams when things fall in their laps. Someone could make an argument that plol is an opportunistic scammer. A sociopathic scammer lies to his friends, family, and anyone who could expose him. A sociopathic scammer tells his business partner he is meeting a rep from a charity to give him a check. It takes a special type of piece of shit to do that. Anyone who thinks it isn't true is just as clueless now as they were on page 3 of this thread. I bet some guys on death row would be disgusted by that. It's also not like he was scamming to put food on the table. He lost $600 to Brandon in pai gow poker ffs. By his own admission, he was playing 20/40, and "hail mary" VP sessions. Not the actions of an opportunistic scammer trying to pay the bills.

All you faggots blaming Druff and Brandon for getting fucked obviously have the mentality of a 7 year old. You are grown ass men. It isn't anyone else's responsibility to do your homework for you. Even when it was blatantly obvious the guy was a scammer, you dipshits were still sucking him off. You have to be a special kind of dumbfuck yourself to send a stranger money on the internet to begin with. WTF were you thinking? Especially the guys who have been scammed multiple times. I guess in the game of life, you were just born suckers. Jasep is NOT a good guy who got caught up in a temporary scam. He has made it his way of life, and is a piece of shit to the highest degree. This is only the stuff we know about. You think these are his first scams?

[chinamaniac]

Also, this is NOT a defense at all of Jasep, but I don't think he is a sociopathic scammer. That's more what peterdc is. After the full story came out, I could tell Peter's scamming was a lifestyle choice that gave him some sick enjoyment. Recall that Peter could have easily married his phone-sex-company-owning girlfriend and been set for life with a woman who was worth well over 10 million dollars. Instead, he resorted to scamming other people and even stealing from her.

I equate Jasep with Erick Lindgren, just on a much smaller scale (and with much less poker talent than Erick).

Both would pay the money they owed if they had it. Both delude themselves into thinking that scamming is just a temporary means to getting whole financially, and they'll eventually make it right without anyone being the wiser. Both have major gambling problems and will step on anyone to keep themselves in action.

In Jasep's case, I think he has a fantasy of being a winning poker pro. He is probably both a losing player and someone with -EV pit gambling problem, as well. Every time he takes a loan from a friend, every time he runs a stake that is actually paying off previous stakes or life expenses, every time he lies, every time he steals, he probably talks himself into believing that he will pay everyone back when he inevitably "stops running bad" and becomes the winning player he thinks he already is.

This is why he was still communicating with people as recently as yesterday afternoon. He is still deluding himself that he can (dishonestly) scratch up the 5k, bail himself out of this BAP mess, and somehow keep enough supporters to where they will give him another shot in the future. He hasn't quite accepted the fact that this is really the end of his gambling-by-borrowing career.

In Jasep's mind, the victims here are just temporary, provided he can still keep playing poker and "make things right" eventually. I'm sure he believes that he would have righted the ship had this not been outed by the "assholes" of this forum, much like Howard Lederer and Ray Bitar believed that Full Tilt would have restored everyone's money had that pesky DOJ not busted them shortly after they stole it all.

I believe there are two types of scammers out there -- sociopathic scammers, and opportunistic scammers.

Sociopathic scammers are people like Justin Smith and Peterdc. They actually scam because they enjoy it. It's a lifestyle to them.

Opportunistic scammers are people who don't enjoy scamming, but see it as a means of a way out of their financial messes. These people wouldn't scam if they were financially sound, but see scamming as a reasonable option to bail themselves out of bad money situations. That's where I put Jasep.

How on earth can you make an argument that the guy isn't a sociopath? He has been lying for years. To some of the people he is closest too. Opportunistic scammers don't lie and steal from lifelong friends. He is STILL lying. Do you honestly think that he didn't know he was gonna scam that charity from the second he got involved?

Jasep at :10 when he heard the 22q thing was happening.



He is scamming new people to pay back the people he just scammed. An opportunistic scammer doesn't send back a mistake deposit to their bank account. An opportunistic scammer scams when things fall in their laps. Someone could make an argument that plol is an opportunistic scammer. A sociopathic scammer lies to his friends, family, and anyone who could expose him. A sociopathic scammer tells his business partner he is meeting a rep from a charity to give him a check. It takes a special type of piece of shit to do that. Anyone who thinks it isn't true is just as clueless now as they were on page 3 of this thread. I bet some guys on death row would be disgusted by that. It's also not like he was scamming to put food on the table. He lost $600 to Brandon in pai gow poker ffs. By his own admission, he was playing 20/40, and "hail mary" VP sessions. Not the actions of an opportunistic scammer trying to pay the bills.

All you faggots blaming Druff and Brandon for getting fucked obviously have the mentality of a 7 year old. You are grown ass men. It isn't anyone else's responsibility to do your homework for you. Even when it was blatantly obvious the guy was a scammer, you dipshits were still sucking him off. You have to be a special kind of dumbfuck yourself to send a stranger money on the internet to begin with. WTF were you thinking? Especially the guys who have been scammed multiple times. I guess in the game of life, you were just born suckers. Jasep is NOT a good guy who got caught up in a temporary scam. He has made it his way of life, and is a piece of shit to the highest degree. I

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