Charlie Kirk shot

[Dan Druff]

This goes back over 30 years, but it's true that I had to bullshit on college essays where there was a left wing professor, and I knew I'd get a lower grade if I told the truth about my political beliefs.

Even in the early 90s, I thought to myself, "I wish I could just be honest the way I really feel about these issues."

[Dan Druff]

Many left wing figures are still blatantly lying about the shooter's ideology, pushing "groyper" lies and "right wing family" misleading statements.

This isn't being done out of ignorance. They know the kid was a former high school conservative who went radical left in the past few years, and was shacking up with a trans boyfriend. They know he despised Kirk and Trump, likely due to the trans issues.

Instead of just admitting he was a deranged kid who happened to be on their political side but otherwise doesn't represent how they think/feel, they're just pretending he's on the right, and they have the nerve to accuse the right of spreading misinformation about it.

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[BCR]

Many left wing figures are still blatantly lying about the shooter's ideology, pushing "groyper" lies and "right wing family" misleading statements.

This isn't being done out of ignorance. They know the kid was a former high school conservative who went radical left in the past few years, and was shacking up with a trans boyfriend. They know he despised Kirk and Trump, likely due to the trans issues.

Instead of just admitting he was a deranged kid who happened to be on their political side but otherwise doesn't represent how they think/feel, they're just pretending he's on the right, and they have the nerve to accuse the right of spreading misinformation about it.

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The commander in chief lies about an election that was confirmed by 80 lawsuits. Why the fuck should anyone tell the truth? This is your game. Reality within the bubble is all that matters. There is a much better chance he is a groyper than the 2020 election was stolen.

[BCR]

And to go further because that is such a disingenuous argument in today’s climate.


This is how a reasonable adult who is a man of the left reacts when faced with not even proof, but a very likely motive. He apologizes to his opponent and concedes you were likely right. The very hallmark of intellect.

So looks like I was right about this OwO thing.

I won't claim to know all the trends of the young people online nowadays, but that one stuck out to me because of the correlation I always noticed to trans every time I saw OwO/UwU.

I also felt like there was some piece missing as to why the guy hated Kirk so much. Kirk was vocal that he didn't believe trans was a real thing -- that everyone should address their mental issues and stay the gender they were born. Many trans hate him because they believed he was calling for their "erasure". When they arrested him and he was just a dude, I briefly thought I was wrong about it, but now it all makes sense. Tyler wasn't trans. His boyfriend was.

you were 100% right. mea culpa.

This is how a low IQ MAGA autist reacts when he is confronted with reality from two of his own, including a personal friend.

You can't prove a negative in many cases, especially on the internet.

In my option, if you cant prove it, you should then drop it and not keep coming back for a 5th time with the "because I said so" tactic. If you cant prove something, then I will let it go.

I said I will be back here later with a full response that will shut this sub-topic down just like I did with the union item. Right now, its lunch time with my family.

Druff- I would stop already as you've resorted to falsely quoting me as I never claimed here "Vegas is dead".

Give me some time and I will be back.

I really didnt fall for anything or click baits. Druff is an intelligent person and sometimes falls into that "everyone is stupid" mode. I know it from working in public safety, it happens.

Druff is 10000% right on what he posted, plane cannot move with overheads open. Why DR would even try and claim this was “probably” just before takeoff amazes me.

We all know this and it not something new that Druff dropped on us. I never made such a claim or statement. I said this was during passenger boarding. I never "claimed this was just before take off." Never said that.

Edit: Just went on the United site which anyone can do and look at the available seating on all 7 flights today. Every flight is well over 50% full with few FC seats available across the 7. Basic economy style tickets are available starting at $139 one way, which isn’t bad for a cross country flight last minute.

TODAY's flight schedule doesnt prove anything. We are talking about a previous flight that already happened. Different travel days and we dont know what airline was in the pic.

Yes, we all know this about a plane can not move, etc. As a person who has actually worked at airports in operations/CFR/ARFF, I know more about airport OPS and emergency response than anyone on this forum. I have more airport crash/rescue and emergency training than anyone else here. I have spent more time in an FAA tower and on the runways than anyone here. I have done more runway inspections than anyone here. I have issued more FAA NOTAMs than anyone here. I can tell you the exact emergency shutdown procedures for a commercial aircraft right now when no one here can- there are specific steps to take in the cockpit. I have talked to an FAA tower on the ICOM radio more than anyone else here. I have responded to more real airplane crashes in real life than anyone else here. I absolutely know airport and airplane procedures than Druff or anyone here.

Yes, I have flown empty flights in the past, even to Vegas. Yes, I know FAs boarding and pre-lfight announcements, procedures and when and how they secure the overhead bins and the cockpit. Yes, like Druff, I know when a plane can and cant move or take off for flight, I actually know more about the topic than him. NO- no one here knows what exactly took place on that plane when the pic was taken. Doesnt matter when or how many flights Druff took in the past, he doesnt 100% know.

The bottom line for me is- I am safely assuming that many flights from NJ to Vegas are empty or partially full. Thats it. No, I did not fall for any dumb person click bait- I didnt even comment of the picture posted. Druff actually took the bait when I didnt even post an opinion. Using common sense and critical thinking in the current economic climate, that any flight from NJ to Vegas might be empty or cancelled. We will never know in this case. But Druff is making some wild assumptions here and sometimes we got to call him out and bring him down from his "everyone is dumb" high horse.

Lastly, I just didnt care enough about this topic or pic to go this deep. Again, I do believe most flights from NJ to Vegas are going to be empty or cancelled, but NO one here knows for sure, we are all just assuming.

Quick add- Go back to post #315- I made NO comments on that picture posted. So every post by Druff or another member that says- "Desertrunner fell for it and I am surorised" is not true. All I did was post a pic and all of the comments, push back and assumptions by Druf were assumed or made up on his part. I never said a word or made a comment about the actual picture.

Druff, stop already, this is your 5th attempt to discredit me. Youre putting words in my mouth again hoping I will just yield and accept your baselsss push. Again, I have never said on here "Vegas is dead", that is something you just made up and Boz said earlier. . So far, no one here has proven that is "fake click bait", thats just your card to quickly support your opinion. If you can PROVE that is clickbait and I mean will real metric evidence, I will PayPal you $100. Right now, its just an assumption and opinion being desperately used by you to prove a point and argument. I have some valid reasons on that picture and I will be addressing them in a bit here. Just like on the unions sub-topic here, youre only presentation was "because I say so" and I knocked out every item you presented. Your challenge now is to PROVE it was clickbait with real evidence or not bring up the topic here.

The good news is that a lot of people fell for it on X, including normally savvy people like Vital Vegas. We all occasionally fuck up like this and accidentally share phony engagement bait to make a serious point. Best thing is to admit it, but explain that you still hold the same beliefs, but just shared a poor example.

Again, I have heard this for the 5th time now and its the same old "Vital Vegas" and "Vegas Locally: fell for it an d so did you. There was NO fuck up here, its just you and an opinion that you still cant seem to prove. When you can PROVE to me that it was fake and click bait, I would love to see it and pay. Druff- I know you believe this in your heart, but youre too transparent here. Youve taken a hard stance on the "Las Vegas is dead" topic and just want to use a quick card to kill the opposition. Yuve gone as far as falsely quoting me here and lying that I said something I have never said- "Las Vegas is dead".

Druff- You have been doing this for years and someone needs to tell you. Just because you play the "because I say so" card every time, that doesnt always mean your right and the others have to yield and agree with you.

I have been planning on fully responding to thissuper lame BS topic again and just like the union subject, I will knock the legs out of this one too. Just hold on, I will be back, but have events going on here at my house that wont allow me to dismantle these BS arguments.

Go ahead and get your proof and show me wrong OR dont bring up the topic anymore, serious. I dont want to hear "because I say so again", that is not presentation at all, that is baby talk on the playground.

I WILL BE BACK LATER ON TO POST AND RESPOND TO ALL OF THIS, JUST GIVE ME SOME TIME ON THIS HOLIDAY.

So when you get frustrated and wonder why they are refusing to concede reality and wonder why the vast majority hate your friend, this is why. You and Boz aren’t necessarily typical MAGA, especially you. You are lifelong conservatives.

But you are the 35%. He is the 65% of GOP voters in last election.

So the simple answer whether it’s Newsome going Trump or why the left is acting like this regarding this issue like split and desert do on the election or the hundred other proven bullshit things they continue to parrot after proven 100% wrong, it’s because being a functional adult and reasonable is losing. It’s not working. Being an idiot is working. We have to find a middle where reality prevails and it doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen before we train wreck the country

See how irritating it is when they are still calling him a groyper in 4 years after 80 lawsuits.

[VaughnP]

Some of you apparently weren't paying attention to the tactics used in the 2024 election. This has been going on much more since 2015. Of course the democrats aren't directly performing wild political operations, but they are absolutely directly funding and funneling money the PACs, NGOs, and radical groups downstream that do, and they have an unlimited budget. I guarantee some of the same people running the Kamala HQ thing are now behind the misinformation outlets mentioned in this thread.

Trump beat the election thing to death, but it's partially rooted in reality. Biden only won in 2020 by a little over 40k votes. Without mail in voting first being allowed and the ballot harvesting operations they were performing he wouldn't have won. Either way Trump's claims about the 2020 election are not comparable to the incredibly well coordinated political operations that are using thousands of people to spread misinformation in unison. The entire 2024 strategy for Democrats was based on a much larger contextomy trick, the same tactics that got Kirk killed, where they tried to convince everyone that Trump was a "Project 2025" master plan, boogeyman.

[BCR]

If only dozens of judges, most appointed by the GOP, just had a chance to weigh in. Fucking please. Trump won by less in 2016 when there were a lot of issues.

Trying to equate some Twitter left voices a week after a guy got killed mischaracterizing a kid who was once a groyper to a loon who is president babbling 4 years later is fucking clown shit and why you can only take you serious to a point.

[VaughnP]

It's no coincidence that the two largest targets of leftist, contextomy tactics have ended up becoming actual targets. Look how effective the "very fine people" thing was against Trump and realize that they used the same selective, misquotes and clipped videos against him on every little thing they possibly can. Kirk was the only person to even come close to being as big of a victim of this as Trump, and now he's fucking dead. Almost every single person who has a negative opinion of Kirk was programmed that way by being exposed to countless TikTok, X, and Facebook reels where people clipped 6 seconds of a complex point he was making - they made this guy look like a monster to even above average intelligence people that fell victim to confirmation bias and just assumed he was going around everywhere saying hateful, inflammatory things.

[BCR]

How about the Epstein list is a hoax? Explain that one. The president claiming that after 5 years of we will reveal it. What’s more important, the president lying about pedophile victims or some Twitter kids wearing a shirt or lying?

[VaughnP]

[VaughnP]

Just in Georgia they estimate close to 400k people who voted by mail in 2020 didn't vote at all in 2024.

[Tellafriend]

Many left wing figures are still blatantly lying about the shooter's ideology, pushing "groyper" lies and "right wing family" misleading statements.

This isn't being done out of ignorance. They know the kid was a former high school conservative who went radical left in the past few years, and was shacking up with a trans boyfriend. They know he despised Kirk and Trump, likely due to the trans issues.

Instead of just admitting he was a deranged kid who happened to be on their political side but otherwise doesn't represent how they think/feel, they're just pretending he's on the right, and they have the nerve to accuse the right of spreading misinformation about it.

stick with me here for just a moment: if i were israel /it's ardent supporters, i would simply lie and spread this nonsense about fuentes in order to delegitimize and tarnish him just as he was gaining a significant deal of notoriety - good or bad, but the fact that we here - middle age dudes - and talking about groypers tells you just how much his following was growing.

so maybe it's not the left/just the left doing it.

[VaughnP]

I just think many of you don't understand this.

If I hired a team of just 200 people to canvas urban neighborhoods across these three swing states proportionally - first to get as many registered voters as possible to request a ballot, Arizona sent them to every registered voter, at a goal of just 10 a day, in 60 days if that goal is met my team would now know exactly when these 120,000 people would be receiving their ballots. Over the next 60 days, if my team convinced just 5 of these people a day (or just bribed them and/or filled them out and mailed them back themselves) I'd have created 60,000 votes. Now realize they were doing this across every swing state with thousands of people, all in Democrat ran cities. This is not a conspiracy, it actually happened.


I don't want to derail this thread with 2020 nonsense, but to say that election was rigged is not a stretch by any means.

[VaughnP]

I just think many of you don't understand this.

If I hired a team of just 200 people to canvas urban neighborhoods across these three swing states proportionally - first to get as many registered voters as possible to request a ballot, Arizona sent them to every registered voter, at a goal of just 10 a day, in 60 days if that goal is met my team would now know exactly when these 120,000 people would be receiving their ballots. Over the next 60 days, if my team convinced just 5 of these people a day (or just bribed them and/or filled them out and mailed them back themselves) I'd have created 60,000 votes. Now realize they were doing this across every swing state with thousands of people, all in Democrat ran cities. This is not a conspiracy, it actually happened.



"I don't want to derail this thread with 2020 nonsense, but to say that election was rigged is not a stretch by any means.

"No — Arizona did not in 2024 automatically send mail-ballots to every registered voter in the same way it did in 2020.

Here’s a breakdown of how Arizona’s mail/early ballot system works and what changed:

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How Arizona’s Mail Ballot System Works
• Arizona has an Active Early Voting List (AEVL) (previously called Permanent Early Voting List, PEVL). Voters on that list automatically receive a ballot by mail for every election in which they are eligible. 
• Other voters have to request a mail/early ballot on a “one-time” basis (for a particular election) if they are not on the AEVL. 

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What happened in 2020 vs. 2024
• 2020: Arizona did send mailed (paper) ballots to all registered voters. That’s an exceptional case, triggered by a law enacted in 2020. 
• 2024: The state reverted to its regular system: only voters on the AEVL automatically got mail ballots; others had to make a request. "


"Here are the approximate vote margin swings in percentage points (2020 → 2024) for the seven swing states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin), based on major public sources:

State Margin in 2020* Margin in 2024* Swing (toward Republican)
Arizona Biden +0.30 %  Trump +5.53 %  ≈ 5.8 points 
Georgia Biden +0.23 %  Trump +2.20 %  ≈ 2.4 points 
Michigan Biden +2.78 %  Trump +1.41 %  ≈ 4.2 points 
Nevada Biden +2.39 %  Trump +3.10 %  ≈ 5.5 points 
North Carolina Trump +1.34 %  Trump +3.21 %  ≈ 1.9 points 
Pennsylvania Biden +1.16 %  Trump +1.71 %  ≈ 2.9 points 
Wisconsin Biden +0.63 %  Trump +0.87 %  ≈ 1.5 points 

*Positive margin means the candidate listed won by that amount (e.g. “Biden +0.30 %” means Biden won by 0.30 points in 2020).

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So among those seven, Arizona shows the biggest swing (≈ 5.8 points) toward the Republicans from 2020 to 2024."

I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Last 2020 post.

[Dan Druff]

I looked a lot at the 2020 election stuff and I simply didn't believe that it was possible for enough fraud to have occurred in order to change the result in enough states to flip the overall election result.

There were indeed some issues with the 2020 election:

- Ballot harvesting, which not only involves a lack of security, but also allows party operatives to only harvest where it will benefit them

- Poll busing, which has the same issue as above

- Mail-in voting and way too early voting, which minimizes the impact of late news, changing trends close to the election, or October surprises

- News suppression, namely the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was falsely portrayed as the media as Russian misinformation, and then was completely blocked from social media

- General dishonest reporting by the media on Trump, including the Charlottesville quote


So there were definitely a number of unfair factors which very well might have combined to cause Trump to lose.

However, by the votes actually cast, I still believe Biden won.

[Dan Druff]

George Zinn, the old guy initially arrested, apparently yelled, "I shot him! I did it!", and it was determined that he did it because he wanted the real shooter to escape.

He's being charged with obstruction, but it would be nice for him to be charged with something else so they can give him a stiff sentence for this. He's 71, so it doesn't even have to be that long of a sentence to essentially make it life.

[Tellafriend]

George Zinn, the old guy initially arrested, apparently yelled, "I shot him! I did it!", and it was determined that he did it because he wanted the real shooter to escape.

He's being charged with obstruction, but it would be nice for him to be charged with something else so they can give him a stiff sentence for this. He's 71, so it doesn't even have to be that long of a sentence to essentially make it life.

just read that elsewhere. surprised they aren't trying to add a conspiracy to murder charge (maybe plausible but fuck it - charge it and see what sticks) and definitely aiding and abetting.