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    Casinos on the strip are now unionized

    https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas...84ab17531b2e25

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
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    I go on cruises all the time and they are a much better value and convenience than Vegas. Primarily because its all right there in front of you and you don't have to think about it. Food, shows, bars, music, gambling, etc.. It's all an elevator away. Rooms are small, but not a big deal. There is something pretty cool at 9am getting a bloody mary at the outdoor bar but that is just me.
    Your description of ocean cruising is eerily similar to that of a Las Vegas weekend.
    It is but its all right there, you don't have to go anywhere except an elevator. People who have not cruised don't realize that on the big ships there are like 8 restaurants and several huge venues for entertainment, like 10 bars, comedian shows, music everywhere and of course a casino. There is also a jail, yes a jail. While rare, the Captain can order anyone to jail and it literally is a cell, and then the next port of call, the local police come on board and escort you off. I saw it first hand, when some guy hit on a straight guy and they got into a fight. Security was there in like 20 seconds, literally, and tackled both of them. The next day each were escorted off the boat with their luggage and had to find their own way home. Talk about a bad beat. I also saw a very drunk crew member, apparently he began hitting on female passengers, though I did not see that. Here again they kicked him off at the next port and he had to find his own way home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    Your description of ocean cruising is eerily similar to that of a Las Vegas weekend.
    It is but its all right there, you don't have to go anywhere except an elevator. People who have not cruised don't realize that on the big ships there are like 8 restaurants and several huge venues for entertainment, like 10 bars, comedian shows, music everywhere and of course a casino. There is also a jail, yes a jail. While rare, the Captain can order anyone to jail and it literally is a cell, and then the next port of call, the local police come on board and escort you off. I saw it first hand, when some guy hit on a straight guy and they got into a fight. Security was there in like 20 seconds, literally, and tackled both of them. The next day each were escorted off the boat with their luggage and had to find their own way home. Talk about a bad beat. I also saw a very drunk crew member, apparently he began hitting on female passengers, though I did not see that. Here again they kicked him off at the next port and he had to find his own way home.
    I’m assuming you don’t go on the low end trashy lines like Carnival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
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    It is but its all right there, you don't have to go anywhere except an elevator. People who have not cruised don't realize that on the big ships there are like 8 restaurants and several huge venues for entertainment, like 10 bars, comedian shows, music everywhere and of course a casino. There is also a jail, yes a jail. While rare, the Captain can order anyone to jail and it literally is a cell, and then the next port of call, the local police come on board and escort you off. I saw it first hand, when some guy hit on a straight guy and they got into a fight. Security was there in like 20 seconds, literally, and tackled both of them. The next day each were escorted off the boat with their luggage and had to find their own way home. Talk about a bad beat. I also saw a very drunk crew member, apparently he began hitting on female passengers, though I did not see that. Here again they kicked him off at the next port and he had to find his own way home.
    I’m assuming you don’t go on the low end trashy lines like Carnival.
    LOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    I’m assuming you don’t go on the low end trashy lines like Carnival.
    LOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.

    you would enjoy celebrity. but be sure you are on one of their newer Edge class ships. there are now 5 of them. if you have the 4mm in the bank you claim, you should stay in their Retreat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    LOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.

    you would enjoy celebrity. but be sure you are on one of their newer Edge class ships. there are now 5 of them. if you have the 4mm in the bank you claim, you should stay in their Retreat.
    I finally saw the WW2 Navy flick “Greyhound” with Tom Hanks last night. Who doesn’t love movies involving German submarines?

    Enjoyed it a lot

    Maybe the Russians take out a Carnival cruise ship. I have half the screenplay already written in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
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    you would enjoy celebrity. but be sure you are on one of their newer Edge class ships. there are now 5 of them. if you have the 4mm in the bank you claim, you should stay in their Retreat.
    I finally saw the WW2 Navy flick “Greyhound” with Tom Hanks last night. Who doesn’t love movies involving German submarines?

    Enjoyed it a lot

    Maybe the Russians take out a Carnival cruise ship. I have half the screenplay already written in my head.


    this is sitting on my shelf to be read along with too many others now.


    Das Boot (German pronunciation: [das ˈboːt], English: The Boat) is a 1973 autobiographical German novel by Lothar-Günther Buchheim based on his experiences as a war correspondent on U-boat submarines. Buchheim recorded his time on submarine U-96 and submarine U-309 during World War II. The Buchheim historical drama book was published in 1973 by Piper Verlag, the book has sold millions of copies and was translated into 18 languages. The novel portrayed the harsh and difficult submarine warfare life on a German submarine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    just sign the damn NDA when his host presents it

    what is more likely:

    1. i break bread w dr
    2. i go to freemont st.
    3. none of the above


    #3 is the correct response.

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    Get any good food while youre out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    I’m assuming you don’t go on the low end trashy lines like Carnival.
    LOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.
    I figured and all makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dive_Bar_Dave View Post
    Now that’s a great report with legitimate numbers.

    Biggest takeaway to me is the Spirit Airlines numbers. While not 100% of their customers, but a good amount is lower end clientele. This could explain why gambling win isn’t down as much as total visitation. They aren’t big gamblers but they are the type customers to be most affected by higher prices and a tougher economy at home.

    Although Spirit as part of their restructuring has cut the number of flights they fly in many places so many I’m looking into it too deeply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    I’m assuming you don’t go on the low end trashy lines like Carnival.
    LOL, no, I mean when I was younger I did because Carnival ships are so cheap. But then you are around the 'family reunions' if you catch my drift, so I avoid them at all costs even though I still get mailers for free rooms. I stick to Royal and Princess. But I only go on the super large ships because I like the paid restaurant options. I stay away from the general dining rooms because I don't like being around people that somehow think its the last meal they will ever eat. $50 a head you get classy people around you, most of the time. I'll do the breakfast buffet at 7am when it opens and virtually empty but that is about it, I don't like commoners. I just pay the toll and go to the paid versions, its better food and much quieter.

    Someone has been reading the Daniel Druff book to cruising. More or less his take on it and to be fair I more or less agree.


    Something to being up at the crack of dawn, get a egg sammie with a hot coffee watching the ocean pass by. Bunch of other 40-70 year old men doing the same.

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    When I was younger, I used to like some of the cruise onboard activities. One time at 23 they approached me to be in one of their shows where I briefly played John Travolta. I’m not kidding. It was a gag where a cruise passenger (me) appears as Travolta, smoke comes on the stage, I exit, and a professional dancer who looks like me takes over. Then I come back after more smoke, and they express surprise at my skill.

    I happened to look like the dancer (though I was too tall), so that’s why they approached me. Was fun.

    Anyway I don’t go to any shows or onboard activities anymore, save for something gambling or sports related. Or karaoke sometimes.

    I always eat in the pay dining area, and I do my own excursions at port.

    Seems like tgull has it down now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover. View Post
    Casinos on the strip are now unionized

    https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas...84ab17531b2e25
    GOOD news, thanks for sharing. PRO union guy here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertrunner View Post
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    Casinos on the strip are now unionized

    https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas...84ab17531b2e25
    GOOD news, thanks for sharing. PRO union guy here.
    Wait until you see the results of this

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertrunner View Post
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    Casinos on the strip are now unionized

    https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas...84ab17531b2e25
    GOOD news, thanks for sharing. PRO union guy here.
    Good news?

    So you're complaining about how expensive Vegas is, yet think unskilled Casino employees making $35/hr is a good thing? How do you think they can afford to pay those wages? Oh wait I know, by raising prices that's how.

    Not to mention substandard Vegas service will only get worse once more Union employes are laid off to manage increased Labor costs.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Wait until you see the results of this
    Over the last 20+ years, Ive seen it mane times.

    Lets deep dive into this as you two are the lay persons that only know the surface info. And Druff, respectfully, youve never been in a union before and only know one side.

    Whats typical non union-

    Constant high employee turn over rate gives each employer roughly a 25% REDUCTION in productivity. Employer has to constantly advertise, onboard, outfit, orientate, train etc...all to lose those employees to an bigger and better offer less than a year away. Non-union places do not offer proper training and continuous education. Employee is more of a liability vs an asset.

    Whats typical union- Pay the employees what they are worth, offer good benefits and pay. This new employee will turn into a long term investment and will become more of an asset vs a liability. Productivity goes up with employee retention and that 25% loss in productivity goes down.

    Union- When there is a work place violation, contract dispute or internal grievance- It can get handled internally and more cost efficiently when the union lawyers and employer can work towards a solution.

    Non-union- The employee has to hire a lawyer to sue the employer. This is more expensive and time consuming.

    An example I know very well- The two "Right to Work" states that do not recognize unions are Arizona and Utah. Every month I see fire departments in both Arizona and Utah beg to hire firefighter/paramedics and they will get them, for a bit. And then the cycle starts- these FF/PMs with real experience mostly all leave and go to California and Nevada for the better pay, benefits and retirements. This continuous cycle runs every year over and over. Most medics go to Orange County Fire, LA County Fire, City of Las Vegas, Clark County Fire and City of Henderson. They want better pay, better benefits, better retirement and a contract. One year, the state of Utah lost many medics to LA County Fire alone during a major hiring swept. And those Utah departments lost all of the money they laid down to send those employees to medic school. All of that time, money, on-boarding, outfitting just go right out the door to a union department.

    In the end, "its cheaper to keep her" and invest in your employees as long term investments and embrace the union carrot that's in front of them.

    Now watch all of the hotel service employees in AZ and UT leave for Vegas- its simply "follow the money".

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnster View Post

    Good news?
    Yes, good news.

    So you're complaining about how expensive Vegas is, yet think unskilled Casino employees making $35/hr is a good thing? How do you think they can afford to pay those wages? Oh wait I know, by raising prices that's how.
    NO, I was never "complaining" about that, like most people, you took my words and twisted them to fit your agenda.

    Let me clarify - My gripe is with the casino CEOs who raise prices and fees so they can get their self-entitled millions and then bounce. "Unskilled casino employees making $35 an hour is a good thing"- I never said that and have not seem that wage or skill level posted anywhere, where did you see that or did you just make it up? Raising prices- They could OR shift the entitled CEO's multi million dollar bonus money back to labor, say give the CEO just 5 million instead of the intended 10 million- he will sqweek by on that.

    Also dont forget, contracts are bargained for and negotiated on BOTH sides of the table. The union can want want want, but not always get. Management side can only give up what they can afford, the problem is labor also knows the books as well at the table. Both sides come to the table well prepared.

    Not to mention substandard Vegas service will only get worse once more Union employes are laid off to manage increased Labor costs.
    Wrong and false. There is no auto set standard and union employees have been fired in the past. Performance issues can always be handled internally. Again, good employees follow good money and crap stays crap. If an employee has issues, they will be dealt with internally.

    Also, dont forget, most of Las Vegas kitchen and service workers have already been union for decades now, this is not something completely new to Las Vegas and Clark County.

    Remember- Good employees stay and become long term assets and keep productivity UP. Crap employees dont stay, high turnover hurts the business and become liabilities and keep the 25% in productivity constantly down.

    Perfect example- If PFA was a hotel in Las Vegas...

    Good employees I'd hire and retain- The Boz, Micky Crimm, Country678, Frank Rizzo, FTJesus, Dive Bar Dave, Split This, tgull and maybe One dollar "cry baby" box car. We would also hire LOL WOW and fit him in some where.

    Bad/shit employees that are a liability- Sonatine, BCR, Sloppy Hoe, Richard Brodie, Les and the other cancer members here.


    Why does Las Vegas and Clark County Fire want paramedics so bad? These "Paramedic Rescue " vans are major money makers. The money is in the EMS transport business. Below is Rescue 218 out of station 18, one of the busiest stations in the nation. So busy, they now have R218 as a second unit out of 18's.

    Proof- Clark County Fire Department Launches Nationwide Recruitment Effort They are now grabbing people from all over the nation. And why not- No state income tax, No Social Security deduction and the employer (Clark County) pays 100% of your NV PERS retirement. Too sweet of a deal to pass up vs the non-union "right to work" state screwing you for an entire career.

    From NV PERS- "Nevada's Public Employees' Retirement System (PERS) offers a unique structure where employers, particularly in the public sector, may cover the full employee contribution, meaning employees do not have to contribute out-of-pocket for retirement." Right to Work/anti union states Arizona and Utah do not offer this.

    A joke told in the industry- You can work at the Bullhead City FD in Arizona OR go across the river to Clark County/Laughlin and double your pay.

    Again, medics leave the non-union "Right to Work" states for Las Vegas and So Cal. The "Big 3" you always want- Union, Overtime and Pension. Why not double your pay, benefits and lifestyle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardBrodiesCombover. View Post
    Get any good food while youre out there


    always.


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