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The founders of the US were well aware of how disastrous strict democracy was for Athens. After Pericles died in the smallpox epidemic, the mob veered back and forth supporting demogogues who eventually frittered away any advantage the Athenian League had over the Spartan alliance. In fact, the war with the Spartan league was started foolishly following the democratic mob impulse for "glory". They had a good thing going and fucked it up because cooler heads were ignore by the rabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
It's a classic post. You need a few fish at the table to keep the conversation alive. So there is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Let's just say the process has an interesting structure. Let's not give democracy a bad name. Watch how you toss that word around.
Love to see the kids have a 'Murica Spring type uprising.
Also, don't forget that only free male citizens had a say in the government, so woman and the considerable population of slaves (essentially, the working class) had no say. Something the modern GOP would be drooling over being able to replicate in this day and age.
Well, I guess you see it as -1000/-2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhat don't you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I would be absolutely shocked if Trump loses. Like, beyond -600 shocked. I'm talking -2000 or higher shocked. He has been crushing in SC the whole way, and I don't see that changing in the next 5 days.
If you think I'm simply betting it because I believe Trump has the best chance to win, you don't understand why I bet it.
While I am enjoying the Trump show, I have a healthy respect for his potential (willingness?) to self-detonate. I don't know how to apply math toward that potential.
Going after ex-President Bush hammer & tongs. Iraq etc. Love it. Fucking unprecedented attack of his own party's icon. Especially interesting given old man Bush is hitting the campaign trail.
This is Trump. He is one remark over the next week or two from vaporizing that lead. You need to take a quiet moment to quantify that very real risk.
The above is really just me jousting with you. I am hugely impressed with the energy and intellect you use to make reads of individuals personality and motives. Thus, I have been amazed with your disconnect as the campaigns have unfolded. Crowd psychology or whatever might not be your thing. I have seen evidence on other issues. Your ability to separate your own feelings and make a dispassionate assessment of reality. Your early Rubio analysis crippled your credibility with me. I so far have dismissed that you understand the voter zeitgeist. It gives me a bit of insight into your world as I develop my own read of you. Fun stuff is all.
Your current acceptance that Trump is leading is one thing. But do you understand why?
Do you have a point here? I dare you to make one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyThe founders of the US were well aware of how disastrous strict democracy was for Athens. After Pericles died in the smallpox epidemic, the mob veered back and forth supporting demogogues who eventually frittered away any advantage the Athenian League had over the Spartan alliance. In fact, the war with the Spartan league was started foolishly following the democratic mob impulse for "glory". They had a good thing going and fucked it up because cooler heads were ignore by the rabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Also, don't forget that only free male citizens had a say in the government, so woman and the considerable population of slaves (essentially, the working class) had no say. Something the modern GOP would be drooling over being able to replicate in this day and age.
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I'll help.
We do not live in a direct democracy.
We are or are not educated or informed enough to select our own representatives.
Modern communication does not facilitate informed voting.
Toss the Bitcoin kid a bone. Vote via blockchain. Increase participation.
just bet 50k then. free money anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhat don't you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I would be absolutely shocked if Trump loses. Like, beyond -600 shocked. I'm talking -2000 or higher shocked. He has been crushing in SC the whole way, and I don't see that changing in the next 5 days.
If you think I'm simply betting it because I believe Trump has the best chance to win, you don't understand why I bet it.
It's not a technology issue. It's a psychological one. Because people routinely ignore information that contradicts their beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarDo you have a point here? I dare you to make one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
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I'll help.
We do not live in a direct democracy.
We are or are not educated or informed enough to select our own representatives.
Modern communication does not facilitate informed voting.
Toss the Bitcoin kid a bone. Vote via blockchain. Increase participation.
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...you-innumerate
Just read above how Druff doubts the economics stats for Dems and Repubs summarized in a table, and then covers himself by claiming it wasn't "fair" because of "events" or whatnot. So many voters are like him on both sides of the political spectrum who just ignore information that doesn't support their politically sacred beliefs, no level of tech -- short of in-brain hardwiring to force a person's brain to accept objective facts -- will overcome this psychological impediment to "informed" voting.
Can someone please explain why the nig is still in this thing?
TIA
Books, Speaking fees, Etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/these-...51828707.html#
Yea you're probably right, my bad mumbles. He wasn't a fish on PFA radio. Mumbles needs to get on that CB radio "Breaker one nine this here's Mumbles, vote for Hillary or Bernie", haha. Watch out for those guys with confederate flags all over their rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarIt's a classic post. You need a few fish at the table to keep the conversation alive. So there is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Let's just say the process has an interesting structure. Let's not give democracy a bad name. Watch how you toss that word around.
Love to see the kids have a 'Murica Spring type uprising.
Good bet. A +EV bet is a +EV bet, Its not like a big favorite can't be +EV. I maxed out on this one this morning too at -600, checked it tonight, and now its at -2000. Big move!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
He said he max bet it at $1500Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickjust bet 50k then. free money anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Line at Sanders event.
http://gfycat.com/FairLoathsomeAfricanwilddog
Interesting discussion of the MSM and political establishments of both parties vs Trump and Sanders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/commen...emu_ypsilanti/
Once Trump picks a running mate the illusion will be over imo.
Lol, that reddit thread looked like a cut and paste of our threads here.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Registered Democrat? This video will rock you to your core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY7...ature=youtu.be
The Dems will be fucked if they nominate her. They just don't know it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Well at least you're not afraid to admit how deep in the sand your head actually is. All Democrats lie to everyone, knowing that no matter what they say, their idiot voters will vote for them on their single issue bullshit and the very educated voters vote for them because they know already that they are lying and understand that when they get into office, they'll just continue to advance the agenda, no matter who the candidate is. That's why the morality of a Democrat has never mattered.
What a load of horseshit. Politicians tend to lie regardless of party affiliation. I was a Young Republican and won election as president of my social science class in middle school after vigorously debating for Tricky Dick in his re-election campaign. And I voted for Reagan in 84 and Poppy Bush in 1988. I never voted for Clinton, and almost voted for W in 2000. But after seeing the bullshit leading up and including the Iraq War, and the corruption of the GOP Congress related to the war spending, and then the failure to rein in the mortgage bubble in the mid-2000s, I finally realized that Milton's time-honored adage applies to *both* parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsQuote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Well at least you're not afraid to admit how deep in the sand your head actually is. All Democrats lie to everyone, knowing that no matter what they say, their idiot voters will vote for them on their single issue bullshit and the very educated voters vote for them because they know already that they are lying and understand that when they get into office, they'll just continue to advance the agenda, no matter who the candidate is. That's why the morality of a Democrat has never mattered.
So, fuck party loyalty! And vote to limit the power of the assholes currently fucking it up the worst!
This is hilarious. Only Democrats lie? News flash.....all these fuckers lie. Look at the "options" we have....Clinton, Sanders, Bush, Cruz, Trump, Rubio? We are fucked no matter what lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
Question: When Hillary inevitably wins the nomination, are you going to remain this critical of her during the general election?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia