I stated in 2015 that I had lots of concerns about his personality and didn't support him. I also refused to vote for him in 2016. This is all well documented here.Originally Posted by blake
We are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.
Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.
Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.
Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.
You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.
It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.
Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.
just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.
you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol
you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
I did like how he governed from 2017-19, though I wasn't happy with his personal behavior. Still was far better than the alternative. Hillary was just as shady, but would have gone along with the left wing of her party a lot more than you probably think. Policy-wise, there's no question I would have preferred Trump, even in hindsight.
In 2020, he didn't do a great job with COVID, but neither would any Democrat. Hillary's messaging would have been better, but recall that Democrats spent all of February whining about xenophobia, and telling us that's worse than the virus. I can pull up tweets from incoming Biden Administration guys if you want.
The "if we had only worn masks, we'd be way better off" is bullshit, because the people refusing to wear masks aren't really doing so because Trump wouldn't. But even if Trump could have made more masking happen, COVID spread is far more complicated than just masking, hence why mask-compliant places like California are getting hit hard now, and mask-resistant places like Norway are not. It's not just "wear a mask, you're safe". Social distancing and staying home is far more important than masking, so if you wear a mask but then believe it entitles you to go out and do stuff, you're actually worsening the problem.
Bottom line is that Trump didn't really fuck up anything major until the final two months -- when he wouldn't accept the loss, and pushed nonsense conspiracy theories, eventually resulting in what happened on January 6. I realized that this sort of thing was a risk to happen, but since you only get two choices for President, in 2020 I still voted for the one I'd rather see in office.
I was never a MAGA guy, and I was critical of Trump here both before and after he was elected. I was also supportive of him when I felt he deserved support or defense from unfair criticism. I'm not one of the staunch MAGA guys who jumped ship a few days ago, and you know it.
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