So what happend to Skatz?

[Anal_Hershiser]

Hey whatever, can I claim disability or something and be replaced as the sites whipping boy and scapegoat for everyhthing that goes wrong AND the shinnig example of everything that is wrong with the human race?

*ahem*

And Mike cracked it under the pressure of being unable to justifying his fucking transparent pedophila and in the space of a couple posts, wrote that children are in the best position to chose to be exploited and only posts apart, that children have no right to choose. OF COURSE. Were his words. THEY'RE CHILDREN.

I mean, what kills me isn't the way he's twisted my words, the crafty way he's not changed what I said, which means I can't claim he's lying, but he is inserting a hidden motive or meaning behind things I said to use for his purposes.

I might be able to oh I dunno ,DEFEND MYSELF, but that's for another day, the day he asks me back or green lights it personally. Today, I just want to point out (aside from the fact I am not a pedophile) that I was basically admitting that priests are elevated to a position of trust which can easily be manipulated for some sick perverts private uses. He's chopped the posts I made and I think it went something like children are vulnerable in particular because society has this status quo of being incompetant and sucking mommy's teet for survival and incapable of making ANY important decisions until midnight the morning of their x birthday, maybe 16 maybe 18 who knows. This is largely done precisely because they can not often make big decisions, because oh It's too obvious to say, the point I am making is that it's just as unfair to me that I be denied my voice while he's saying things about me and yet, I should be held to a higher standard (one that I will rise to just to be the bigger man and hopefully end the BS once and for all)

So Druff, when you ask why do I bring the drama there here, the above is a great example, and it's something that happens a lot. The person I quoted is actually not doing it to spite me, as I used to believe, there is an important point he wants to make and I fit into many molds, having no real identity of my own, always borrowing and never having anything of my own. What he is saying is not terribly important so much as can I defend myself and have a say when things are said which make me look potentially bad, like I dunno. Being accused of pedophilia, that might be bad enough to get me motivated in wanting the right to defend myself against slander, should such a thing happen.

It's not right to dump drama onto your forum just because everyone reads all the boards, I admit that, and apologize for doing it. Also ever time I see a "druff is this true" or insert whoevers name, I know you hate them and they never happened prior to my making the threads to tapper and gay sex, and for that I apologize.

Also having given it much thought you are right in never having trolled me, I appreicate you handling that with the sense of calm and respectfullness that you did, despite my volleying fairly infamitory accusations. I was both very sure and very emotional that I had what I said right, had you done something with less class, like banning me outright or calling me an idiot and changing my avatar etc, I would have reacted really bad for a couple of days, and in the end still know you were right and have yet more useless out of control posts to regret having made.

I try to be sane, rational, intelligent, logical, insightful and wherever possible, helpful. It's an uphill battle every day that I win and lose but rest assured you win in spots like this because even my BPD gets overulled by my photographic memory and your having taken the time to ground me while I was manic will stick, I'll make the best effort possible to ensure that and trust you as I used to.

It seems like trust is one of the keys to understanding all the mess upstairs, the less I trust the people I am interacting with the easier it is to go manic, especially if I feel I am being taken advantage of.

Go figure I spend most of my time on forums populated with people I will never trust...trust me, I know how smart I am NOT.

Proofread BEFORE you post, pedo.

[rickastley]

shut it down pedo.

40gr8 is this true?

[408Mike]

Salient point, at the time that sentence fragment was posted the inference was that certain behaviours like the long and detailed posts as well as harder to perceive changes such as my wanting to think about and discuss more important and immediate topics such as 30k children die all around the world from easily preventable diseases vs the presidential debate etc etc.

Wanna give that another go and actually try and make a cohesive thought? Just using basic English skills and shitcanning this run on sentence bullshit. Do you realize that is all ONE sentence? Do you really lack basic elementary writing skills? Just fucking write it. You don't need to describe everything like you're Edgar Allen Poe.

Wannabe _name_ mode on my part, I guess it's not impressing anyone at this point so why bother, right? Right.

All I meant by my statement was that even without _name_ around to talk to and feasibly keep imprinting from, I still carry on the particular mannerisms of his which I saw and wanted for mySelf. For example I really admire and respect his mastery of the English language, it's amazing to be honest, and thus comes my "Edgar Allen Poe" style which comes and goes, like all of the mini-me's jumbled around in my head.

The way I post at times also stems from something I hate talking about, but I have been frustrated for years with how others perceive me online, the prevailing theory being I am a moron and barely capable of turning on a light without burning down the house, short bus mike that sort of thing. I never changed my posting style on purpose to mimic anybody thus the underlying truth can only be that I figured on some level that sounding like _name_ would change public perception of me to the good. Occam's Razor points very strongly at that being the truth behind the huge change and I am ot going to apologize for something I did not do wrongly or with bad intentions. I saw a possible means of achieving respect and apparently internally the case was open and shut- this will work, sound like that guy and everyone will see you the same way.

Many of you have no idea what it's like to be typecast an idiot and relegated to the funny pages and nothing more, not a chance. You might say you don't care, but think for a moment being me and when a person asks say a question about debt based currency and incorrectly name the federal reserve as a branch or entitty belonging to the federal government, something you know to be false, and so you speak yoiur mind, "Hey don't mean to be rude and interrupt, but I believe the federal reserve is a central bank and quite privately owned. The name federal means nothing, it's privately owned."

Super! Now you've added to a conversation successfully, you might have cleared up a big micsonception and things are good, no trolls, you double check to make sure nothing is untrue or misspelled.

Next post "mikeyroid the last thing on earth anyone needs is to hear your fucking bullshit now go sit in the corner and keep working at not breeding, it's the best thing you do well and I hope that never changes'

'HE MAKES THE PLACE UNREADABLE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST'

"Wait- that moron hasn't been banned yet? Oh and here he is again, stinking the place up"

"Druff, I am out of here until that motherfucking idiot is banned, I hate him with my every being and look! HERE IS HE AGAIN, RUINING HE IS RUINING ANOTHER PERFECTLY GOOD THREAD!:"

You come back online a couple hours later, semi-interested to see who said what, wondering if anyone challenged the facts and possibly there will be a discussion going on-and are greeted by what I just wrote.

That very scenario has happend to me so many times now that I am damn close to numb over it all. I refuse to quit and admit defeat, I will not acknowledge nor lend a shred not an ouce of legitimacy to the idea I am a moron, and so I've been at a stalemate, and to be frank it is killing me.

I deserve fairl and equitable treatment by all of God's children regardless of race or what you own, might buy etc. and yes I will fight for these ideas with my last breath alive if I have to, that's the way that I am.

[Anal_Hershiser]

Wanna give that another go and actually try and make a cohesive thought? Just using basic English skills and shitcanning this run on sentence bullshit. Do you realize that is all ONE sentence? Do you really lack basic elementary writing skills? Just fucking write it. You don't need to describe everything like you're Edgar Allen Poe.

Wannabe _name_ mode on my part, I guess it's not impressing anyone at this point so why bother, right? Right.

All I meant by my statement was that even without _name_ around to talk to and feasibly keep imprinting from, I still carry on the particular mannerisms of his which I saw and wanted for mySelf. For example I really admire and respect his mastery of the English language, it's amazing to be honest, and thus comes my "Edgar Allen Poe" style which comes and goes, like all of the mini-me's jumbled around in my head.

The way I post at times also stems from something I hate talking about, but I have been frustrated for years with how others perceive me online, the prevailing theory being I am a moron and barely capable of turning on a light without burning down the house, short bus mike that sort of thing. I never changed my posting style on purpose to mimic anybody thus the underlying truth can only be that I figured on some level that sounding like _name_ would change public perception of me to the good. Occam's Razor points very strongly at that being the truth behind the huge change and I am ot going to apologize for something I did not do wrongly or with bad intentions. I saw a possible means of achieving respect and apparently internally the case was open and shut- this will work, sound like that guy and everyone will see you the same way.

Many of you have no idea what it's like to be typecast an idiot and relegated to the funny pages and nothing more, not a chance. You might say you don't care, but think for a moment being me and when a person asks say a question about debt based currency and incorrectly name the federal reserve as a branch or entitty belonging to the federal government, something you know to be false, and so you speak yoiur mind, "Hey don't mean to be rude and interrupt, but I believe the federal reserve is a central bank and quite privately owned. The name federal means nothing, it's privately owned."

Super! Now you've added to a conversation successfully, you might have cleared up a big micsonception and things are good, no trolls, you double check to make sure nothing is untrue or misspelled.

Next post "mikeyroid the last thing on earth anyone needs is to hear your fucking bullshit now go sit in the corner and keep working at not breeding, it's the best thing you do well and I hope that never changes'

'HE MAKES THE PLACE UNREADABLE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST'

"Wait- that moron hasn't been banned yet? Oh and here he is again, stinking the place up"

"Druff, I am out of here until that motherfucking idiot is banned, I hate him with my every being and look! HERE IS HE AGAIN, RUINING HE IS RUINING ANOTHER PERFECTLY GOOD THREAD!:"

You come back online a couple hours later, semi-interested to see who said what, wondering if anyone challenged the facts and possibly there will be a discussion going on-and are greeted by what I just wrote.

That very scenario has happend to me so many times now that I am damn close to numb over it all. I refuse to quit and admit defeat, I will not acknowledge nor lend a shred not an ouce of legitimacy to the idea I am a moron, and so I've been at a stalemate, and to be frank it is killing me.

I deserve fairl and equitable treatment by all of God's children regardless of race or what you own, might buy etc. and yes I will fight for these ideas with my last breath alive if I have to, that's the way that I am.

Huh?

[408Mike]

Wannabe _name_ mode on my part, I guess it's not impressing anyone at this point so why bother, right? Right.

All I meant by my statement was that even without _name_ around to talk to and feasibly keep imprinting from, I still carry on the particular mannerisms of his which I saw and wanted for mySelf. For example I really admire and respect his mastery of the English language, it's amazing to be honest, and thus comes my "Edgar Allen Poe" style which comes and goes, like all of the mini-me's jumbled around in my head.

The way I post at times also stems from something I hate talking about, but I have been frustrated for years with how others perceive me online, the prevailing theory being I am a moron and barely capable of turning on a light without burning down the house, short bus mike that sort of thing. I never changed my posting style on purpose to mimic anybody thus the underlying truth can only be that I figured on some level that sounding like _name_ would change public perception of me to the good. Occam's Razor points very strongly at that being the truth behind the huge change and I am ot going to apologize for something I did not do wrongly or with bad intentions. I saw a possible means of achieving respect and apparently internally the case was open and shut- this will work, sound like that guy and everyone will see you the same way.

Many of you have no idea what it's like to be typecast an idiot and relegated to the funny pages and nothing more, not a chance. You might say you don't care, but think for a moment being me and when a person asks say a question about debt based currency and incorrectly name the federal reserve as a branch or entitty belonging to the federal government, something you know to be false, and so you speak yoiur mind, "Hey don't mean to be rude and interrupt, but I believe the federal reserve is a central bank and quite privately owned. The name federal means nothing, it's privately owned."

Super! Now you've added to a conversation successfully, you might have cleared up a big micsonception and things are good, no trolls, you double check to make sure nothing is untrue or misspelled.

Next post "mikeyroid the last thing on earth anyone needs is to hear your fucking bullshit now go sit in the corner and keep working at not breeding, it's the best thing you do well and I hope that never changes'

'HE MAKES THE PLACE UNREADABLE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST'

"Wait- that moron hasn't been banned yet? Oh and here he is again, stinking the place up"

"Druff, I am out of here until that motherfucking idiot is banned, I hate him with my every being and look! HERE IS HE AGAIN, RUINING HE IS RUINING ANOTHER PERFECTLY GOOD THREAD!:"

You come back online a couple hours later, semi-interested to see who said what, wondering if anyone challenged the facts and possibly there will be a discussion going on-and are greeted by what I just wrote.

That very scenario has happend to me so many times now that I am damn close to numb over it all. I refuse to quit and admit defeat, I will not acknowledge nor lend a shred not an ouce of legitimacy to the idea I am a moron, and so I've been at a stalemate, and to be frank it is killing me.

I deserve fairl and equitable treatment by all of God's children regardless of race or what you own, might buy etc. and yes I will fight for these ideas with my last breath alive if I have to, that's the way that I am.

Huh?

This is what you wanted, my bad. I'm slow right now, going to catch a nap soon, it's badly needed. And that's to be read "408 minus Poe" fwiw.

All I meant by my statement was that even without _name_ around to talk to and feasibly keep imprinting from, I still carry on the particular mannerisms of his which I saw and wanted for mySelf. For example I really admire and respect his mastery of the English language, it's amazing to be honest, and thus comes my "Edgar Allen Poe" style which comes and goes, like all of the mini-me's jumbled around in my head.

[DRK Star]

Wannabe _name_ mode on my part, I guess it's not impressing anyone at this point so why bother, right? Right.

All I meant by my statement was that even without _name_ around to talk to and feasibly keep imprinting from, I still carry on the particular mannerisms of his which I saw and wanted for mySelf. For example I really admire and respect his mastery of the English language, it's amazing to be honest, and thus comes my "Edgar Allen Poe" style which comes and goes, like all of the mini-me's jumbled around in my head.

The way I post at times also stems from something I hate talking about, but I have been frustrated for years with how others perceive me online, the prevailing theory being I am a moron and barely capable of turning on a light without burning down the house, short bus mike that sort of thing. I never changed my posting style on purpose to mimic anybody thus the underlying truth can only be that I figured on some level that sounding like _name_ would change public perception of me to the good. Occam's Razor points very strongly at that being the truth behind the huge change and I am ot going to apologize for something I did not do wrongly or with bad intentions. I saw a possible means of achieving respect and apparently internally the case was open and shut- this will work, sound like that guy and everyone will see you the same way.

Many of you have no idea what it's like to be typecast an idiot and relegated to the funny pages and nothing more, not a chance. You might say you don't care, but think for a moment being me and when a person asks say a question about debt based currency and incorrectly name the federal reserve as a branch or entitty belonging to the federal government, something you know to be false, and so you speak yoiur mind, "Hey don't mean to be rude and interrupt, but I believe the federal reserve is a central bank and quite privately owned. The name federal means nothing, it's privately owned."

Super! Now you've added to a conversation successfully, you might have cleared up a big micsonception and things are good, no trolls, you double check to make sure nothing is untrue or misspelled.

Next post "mikeyroid the last thing on earth anyone needs is to hear your fucking bullshit now go sit in the corner and keep working at not breeding, it's the best thing you do well and I hope that never changes'

'HE MAKES THE PLACE UNREADABLE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST'

"Wait- that moron hasn't been banned yet? Oh and here he is again, stinking the place up"

"Druff, I am out of here until that motherfucking idiot is banned, I hate him with my every being and look! HERE IS HE AGAIN, RUINING HE IS RUINING ANOTHER PERFECTLY GOOD THREAD!:"

You come back online a couple hours later, semi-interested to see who said what, wondering if anyone challenged the facts and possibly there will be a discussion going on-and are greeted by what I just wrote.

That very scenario has happend to me so many times now that I am damn close to numb over it all. I refuse to quit and admit defeat, I will not acknowledge nor lend a shred not an ouce of legitimacy to the idea I am a moron, and so I've been at a stalemate, and to be frank it is killing me.

I deserve fairl and equitable treatment by all of God's children regardless of race or what you own, might buy etc. and yes I will fight for these ideas with my last breath alive if I have to, that's the way that I am.

Huh?

Quote the Nutjob, Nevermore.....

[Crowe Diddly]

I refuse to quit and admit defeat, I will not acknowledge nor lend a shred not an ouce of legitimacy to the idea I am a moron, and so I've been at a stalemate, and to be frank it is killing me.

“If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it.”
- WC Fields

[zealanddonk]

Cliffs:
Children rely on mommy to support them.
Mikey is in his mid 30s and relies on mommy to support him.

Mikey is always massively smarter than Druff because:
Geniuses cant find $50 to pay off debts, Druff has more than $50 to his name.

Seriously Mikey, over half the posts in this thread are from you. Over 90% of non requoted words are from you.

[zealanddonk]

I deserve fairl and equitable treatment by all of God's children

Except you are an abject cunt to anyone who wont give you money, support your addictions or give you a platform to throw pity parties.

[Anal_Hershiser]

Huh?

This is what you wanted, my bad. I'm slow right now, going to catch a nap soon, it's badly needed. And that's to be read "408 minus Poe" fwiw.

All I meant by my statement was that even without _name_ around to talk to and feasibly keep imprinting from, I still carry on the particular mannerisms of his which I saw and wanted for mySelf. For example I really admire and respect his mastery of the English language, it's amazing to be honest, and thus comes my "Edgar Allen Poe" style which comes and goes, like all of the mini-me's jumbled around in my head.

No. That's not what I wanted. The fact that you think it is only shows how truly fucked up you are.

What Mike's to do list should look like.

1. Quit using drugs.

2. Seek in depth mental help.

3. Find steady employment.

What Mike's to do list actually looks like

1. Score drugs.

2. Do an odd job around the neighborhood for a random person who I can refer to as a "client" so I have enough $ to repeat step 1.

3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 as many times as possible.

[DRK Star]

Mike,

Did you ever do the Pepper video? I havent been around much lately and didnt know if I missed it.

[Dan Druff]

Let's take a break from the 408Mike ridiculousness for a moment, and I'll give you my opinionated opinion about the skatz situation.

Up until this afternoon, I hadn't read skatz much and didn't know why Scooter abruptly took the whole thing down.

Needless to say, when combining the highly abstract nature of most skatz posts and Scooter's refusal to be concise and direct, I still don't completely understand everything.

However, I believe these are the cliffs as to what went down:

- Scooter banned Jewdonk a few weeks ago.

- Some mod, apparently either blake or gay sex, undid that ban earlier this week.

- Scooter became furious about this and said that he would ban both gay sex and blake for this and other reasons that were difficult to decipher.

- Scooter was also driven to the point of further insanity by the antics of 408Mike, and feels that Mike reminds him of his own crazy mother.

- Combine all of the above, and Scooter intentionally pointed the skatz domain to some placeholder site instead of the skatz forum.

- VaughnP, who apparently owns part of skatz, put it back up on the .org version of skatz, and everyone is arguing now.


Feel free to correct me if I got any of these details wrong. I have to admit that I didn't put a lot of effort into carefully reading and deciphering all of this nonsense.

Anyway, I'm not going to go into whether Scooter was right or wrong with his actions, because frankly, I don't really know or care. I've never had a problem with Scooter, and in fact have respected the fact that he doesn't seem to get involved in juvenile troll-wars-du-jour, but rather does his own thing and beats to his own drum.

The interesting thing here to me is that this seems to be yet another situation where the powers-that-be on a forum clash, usually resulting in the ultimate destruction or ghost-towning of the site.

It happened on NWP in 2008, when many left for Boris after Vwls was demodded. It happened on Boris. It happened on DD last year. Now it seems to be happening on skatz.

This is the reason I made the decision never to have mods or co-owners on PFA.

I have come to believe that it is impossible to run a forum -- at least one where you're actively involved -- and have partners/mods doing it along with you. This is because everyone tends to have very strong opinions as to how a forum should be run, and it inevitably results in conflict and battles for control.

Think about the following questions:

What should the rules be of a forum?

Who should be banned, and what reasons are required to ban someone?

If someone is banned and another admin disagreed, can that ban be overruled?

What constitutes good or bad content?

Where do you draw the line between trolling and entertainment?

Where do you draw the line between allowing an attention-hungry poster to entertain the masses and preventing him from dominating the forum?

There are no right or wrong answers to the above -- just opinions. I have mine, you have yours, other people have theirs. The problem is when several people attempt to enforce their vision onto a forum, it inevitably pisses someone else off. And if that someone also has a position of power on the forum, it will usually not have a good ending.

When I left DD, I realized that the whole thing had been a mistake all along. Micon and I were too different, and it was just a matter of time before the situation there imploded. Even if Micon and I had more similar personalities, we would have still eventually clashed and the same result would have occurred. The only way to really have a successful partnership involving a forum is if only one person really gives a shit. That is, if one guy says, "I'll run the forum" and the other says, "You do what you want with the forum, I'm staying out of it and concentrating on everything else", that's really the only way a forum partnership can really succeed.

I made a mistake by being involved in a forum partnership on DD. When I started this site, I made sure not to repeat that same mistake. This is not patting myself on the back, but more of an admission that I fucked it up the first time and learned from it.

If I ever shut down PFA or point the domain to a Godaddy placeholder, it will because my decisions and policies here failed. It will never be because of conflict with other owners/mods. This site will succeed or fail completely as a result of my own actions and/or inactions, and that's the way I like it.

[zealanddonk]

O Drk Star, according to Mikey you rant want more about Skatz than he ever does, is that true?

[Anal_Hershiser]

Mike,

Did you ever do the Pepper video? I havent been around much lately and didnt know if I missed it.

40Steaks following through on something he said he was gonna do? Gonna pop some popcorn for the wall of text coming from how he rationalizes not doing it yet.

Was his battery dead? Will he say his camera wasn't working? Busy with "clients"? Just say he was lazy and how it's not acceptable anymore?

The personality who promised you that video probably hasn't been back around again since. He'll show up again sooner or later.

Why has his mother not had him committed yet?

No way his life doesn't end horribly. I'm guessing he'll take a few innocent people with him.

[sonatine]

- Combine all of the above, and Scooter intentionally pointed the skatz domain to some placeholder site instead of the skatz forum.

- VaughnP, who apparently owns part of skatz, put it back up on the .org version of skatz, and everyone is arguing now.

these are actually wrong.

scooter did something with dns he thought was easily reversible without fully understanding the consequences.

[SrslySirius]

I have come to believe that it is impossible to run a forum -- at least one where you're actively involved -- and have partners/mods doing it along with you. This is because everyone tends to have very strong opinions as to how a forum should be run, and it inevitably results in conflict and battles for control.

I disagree. The key is appointing mature people who are discreet when conflicts arise and respect the chain of command. That's easier said than done, but I've seen it work on many forums.

[rickastley]

This is the reason I made the decision never to have mods or co-owners on PFA.

I have come to believe that it is impossible to run a forum -- at least one where you're actively involved -- and have partners/mods doing it along with you. This is because everyone tends to have very strong opinions as to how a forum should be run, and it inevitably results in conflict and battles for control.

I disagree. The key is appointing mature people who are discreet when conflicts arise and respect the chain of command. That's easier said than done, but I've seen it work on many forums.

it's obviously working over at jewdonk.com 3.0

[SrslySirius]

I disagree. The key is appointing mature people who are discreet when conflicts arise and respect the chain of command. That's easier said than done, but I've seen it work on many forums.

it's obviously working over at jewdonk.com 3.0

I don't spend much time there, so I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. But I'm sure we've all seen plenty of forums that run smoothly with moderator teams.

[408Mike]

Let's take a break from the 408Mike ridiculousness for a moment, and I'll give you my opinionated opinion about the skatz situation.

Up until this afternoon, I hadn't read skatz much and didn't know why Scooter abruptly took the whole thing down.

Needless to say, when combining the highly abstract nature of most skatz posts and Scooter's refusal to be concise and direct, I still don't completely understand everything.

However, I believe these are the cliffs as to what went down:

- Scooter banned Jewdonk a few weeks ago.

- Some mod, apparently either blake or gay sex, undid that ban earlier this week.

- Scooter became furious about this and said that he would ban both gay sex and blake for this and other reasons that were difficult to decipher.

- Scooter was also driven to the point of further insanity by the antics of 408Mike, and feels that Mike reminds him of his own crazy mother.

- Combine all of the above, and Scooter intentionally pointed the skatz domain to some placeholder site instead of the skatz forum.

- VaughnP, who apparently owns part of skatz, put it back up on the .org version of skatz, and everyone is arguing now.


Feel free to correct me if I got any of these details wrong. I have to admit that I didn't put a lot of effort into carefully reading and deciphering all of this nonsense.

Anyway, I'm not going to go into whether Scooter was right or wrong with his actions, because frankly, I don't really know or care. I've never had a problem with Scooter, and in fact have respected the fact that he doesn't seem to get involved in juvenile troll-wars-du-jour, but rather does his own thing and beats to his own drum.

The interesting thing here to me is that this seems to be yet another situation where the powers-that-be on a forum clash, usually resulting in the ultimate destruction or ghost-towning of the site.

It happened on NWP in 2008, when many left for Boris after Vwls was demodded. It happened on Boris. It happened on DD last year. Now it seems to be happening on skatz.

This is the reason I made the decision never to have mods or co-owners on PFA.

I have come to believe that it is impossible to run a forum -- at least one where you're actively involved -- and have partners/mods doing it along with you. This is because everyone tends to have very strong opinions as to how a forum should be run, and it inevitably results in conflict and battles for control.

Think about the following questions:

What should the rules be of a forum?

Who should be banned, and what reasons are required to ban someone?

If someone is banned and another admin disagreed, can that ban be overruled?

What constitutes good or bad content?

Where do you draw the line between trolling and entertainment?

Where do you draw the line between allowing an attention-hungry poster to entertain the masses and preventing him from dominating the forum?

There are no right or wrong answers to the above -- just opinions. I have mine, you have yours, other people have theirs. The problem is when several people attempt to enforce their vision onto a forum, it inevitably pisses someone else off. And if that someone also has a position of power on the forum, it will usually not have a good ending.

When I left DD, I realized that the whole thing had been a mistake all along. Micon and I were too different, and it was just a matter of time before the situation there imploded. Even if Micon and I had more similar personalities, we would have still eventually clashed and the same result would have occurred. The only way to really have a successful partnership involving a forum is if only one person really gives a shit. That is, if one guy says, "I'll run the forum" and the other says, "You do what you want with the forum, I'm staying out of it and concentrating on everything else", that's really the only way a forum partnership can really succeed.

I made a mistake by being involved in a forum partnership on DD. When I started this site, I made sure not to repeat that same mistake. This is not patting myself on the back, but more of an admission that I fucked it up the first time and learned from it.

If I ever shut down PFA or point the domain to a Godaddy placeholder, it will because my decisions and policies here failed. It will never be because of conflict with other owners/mods. This site will succeed or fail completely as a result of my own actions and/or inactions, and that's the way I like it.

Your way of running things is absolutely the best way presuming you can pull off keeping a group of human beings in check at all times, something you have NO idea the difficulty of for the rest of the human race. I say that with respect and reverence having admin'd a few times over the years and staying in close contact with friends who own forums, getbig for example. You have to be either THE LAW or there is no law and you silently remove people in the dark and never ever answer to anyone for anything. Worked for Ron, won't for everyone tho.

Anyway, you followed the whole thing a lot more closely than I have, in spending 10 minutes reading/talking I believe you to be right, and I think you know what's up, as it is rather deliberate on soandso's part.


I am not that smart, I put two and two together in April and asked him and he told me I was right, and it's painful for me to watch and tbh, I am not.

I will not offer much of an opinion except to say that I was right about many things now proven, the more important one here being why jewdonk was banned in the first place. As I seem to be the only one who gets the man, save for the silent few (cob pike and tine) I correctly pointed out there was a deeper motive at play and that the end goal had nothing to do with banning the guy for sport and nor was the goal to win an argument.

The end goal at skatz is, for at least one person,the utopia he had written about a while back, and that is my opinion only but it's hard to refute. Skatz is a smallish and well controlled (in terms of size) group of persons who are intelligent in widely varied ways, if one were so inclined and believed in ones ideas with enough conviction to act on them, putting things into play such as we see with banning a man with a massive ego who is not a player of anyone else's rules BUT who also has a huge weakness which I am aware of and won't share here. If soandso is right, eventually this weakness will overpower the narcissistic ego and jewdonk will be all the better for it as his godforsaken ego and bloated sense of self importance just kills the man's underlying desire to be liked and wanted by others. The opposing forces drive him to drink and be depressed, but he's not beyond being helped, should he allow this to happen.

Soandso is the only person I've met capable of CORRECTLY analyzing both people and their lives and coming up with both ideas (his strength, from identifying problems with uncanny capacity-inhuman at times) and implementing them at the right time the right way etc. Druff I have seen you do things in some similar ways, though I wonder how deliberate you do them, and how much is from experience guiding you. Take jewdonk for example, you were the only one to successfully ban him without so much as a single"free marty" from the userbase, which is impressive, and it was also very well thought out. At least it seemed that way.

So, anyway, I knew a while back this was coming and it's really not by accident there is no one there to openly support him. If Sonatine's silence does not make it PAINFULLY obvious I can't do better being open, no one would believe me.

Last but not least, I have to say again it is remarkable you do without effort that which escapes all who have and will tried the same thing, but then you understand power, and wield it when appropriately, yet are never the villian and no one bats and eyelash at a single decision you make. Not that you seek approval, I can't remember you ever in fact. I study the way you do things and to be honest, I can't pull off what you do successfully by luck let alone with consistency. Chalk it up to experience or luck or just the extra intelligence giving you powers I can't perceive, maybe you are hawkishly guarding AI you created and using it just to create a forum utopia, but whatever it is, it's pretty amazing, and I believe you are the first person to successfully pull off a largely self policing community that never polices anyone that is pretty damned big. You and soandso bouncing ideas of one another, that could be really interesting, to say the least.

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Skatz is the worst thing that happened to 408. Because of Scooter he has went from someone who whined and bitched all day about needing help to Edgar Allen Poe who is intellectually above all. He no longer has a problem in his mind. Instead, we all have problems handling his intellect. I'm sure he really likes listening to the meth whisper this into his ear.