The "11 times out of 12" are small protests where it's some kind of neighborhood effort to hold signs for passing traffic, or whatever. But whenever mass numbers of people got together in big cities, it very often degraded into violence.
Very few of these big city protests didn't have some degree of actual left wing violence aimed at police, businesses, or other citizens.
I've already debunked the "93% peaceful" nonsense, because that counts 5-man protests as equivalent to 60,000-person protests. There were a few protests in my area which were peaceful. Never did I feel threatened, because these were just neighborhood people who got together from Facebook or whatever, and held up BLM signs. This was far different than the nasty shit happening at the large protests.
You're just living in a world of pure delusion if you don't think these protests were violent as a rule.
You can compare them to LA riots if you want. I already did that some months ago. Whatever has happened in the last 6 months all over the country with more than 10x protesters is still nothing compared to those 5 days in 92.
And you haven't debunked shit. There's already enough studies about this, you just choose to ignore those and instead rely on milkshake Andy.
White supremacists suck but they are a very small minority of the Republican Party.
When I've encountered them online, I've always called them out, even in right wing groups. Fuck them.
But also fuck the left for making them the fake bogeymen in order to distract people from the actual criminals destroying American cities in the name of "protest".
Funny you mention the LA riots, which I actually lived through (as an adult).
Look how this was covered by the 1992 mainstream media:
Harsh condemnation by both the reporter and the black people they interviewed. No excuses made for them. No downplaying. No blaming it on white supremacists. No claims that it's just a big exaggeration by right wingers.
Just honest reporting and deserved scorn for the criminals doing it.
I bet you can't find one report about the 2020 riots (except from the right) with such a tone.
Why do you think that is? Could it be that the modern left has gone insane, and they think it's blasphemy to ever criticize anyone from a "victim" class (or woke white people from their own side)?
I personally witnessed over 15 protests with several hundred- several thousand people in NYC and Hoboken last summer.
Did not see any violence or looting. One time I saw a group of protesters pull 2 other protesters down that were trying to climb up some scaffolding. That was about it. They marched up and down the street, chanted, and laid on the ground for 8 minutes. There were grandmothers and children just normal people participating. It looked boring as fuck. A small amount of critical thinking is all you need to do to realize that the reason you think all BLM protesters are violent antifa soldiers is because that's what the media showed the most of - and it fits your narrative.
Open you eyes.
I'm not going out of my way to go through what reporting you're getting from the protests. Still even on this site there's almost no one from the left that's giving anyone a pass for looting or arson.
15-20 million people have participated in the protests so far. If even a percent of those people were actively looking to raise hell the carnage would be on a whole different level.
When it comes to looting it's mostly organized criminal groups, arson/vandalism is mostly anarchists and random shitheads. At least that's how it usually is and i don't see anything to suggest otherwise. It's about 1/1000 "protesters".
Out of 20ish dead i think 5ish went to Kyle and Boogaloo boys and 1 was by that ski bum. The rest i have no idea.
The two perps arrested in this domestic terrorism case has QAnon materials in their Hummer.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/us/pe...sts/index.html
If it's not political in nature, how come we don't have random rioting/looting/arson outbreaks when there isn't a leftist cause behind it?
What you and the other in-denial leftists are missing is this:
When a massive number of people show up to a political protest, it's a big mixture of people. Most are there to be peaceful. Some are there to cause violence/vandalism/mayhem because they feel it's necessary to advance their political cause. This latter group is smaller than the peaceful group, but you don't need a large percentage to cause a big problem. If 60,000 people show up, and 1% are violent, that's still 600 violent people, which is really bad.
Then on top of the violent political protesters, you have the apolitical criminals who show up because they either want to steal or break things (or both). These apolitical criminals are doing this because of the opportunity. During normal days, they can't get away with it. Once they see it is happening without consequence, they show up and join in.
So where does this all lead? It leads back to the violent political protesters, who basically get the ball rolling for everyone else who wants to commit acts of violence/arson/looting.
At the same time, Democratic city officials are also responsible, because they are so terrified about having police on camera hurting/killing violent people, they simply order the cops to stand down and let everything burn. And that word gets around quickly, leading to even more violence. Notice that Republican-controlled cities don't have any of this. They shut down the violence swiftly and decisively, and if anyone attempts to fight the police, they are stopped with force -- just as they would any other day of the year.
The entire thing is the perfect storm of violent leftists, apolitical criminals jumping at opportunity, and feckless Democratic leaders who are terrible at law and order.
You can say left or right all day but take a look at the 2011 Vancouver riots after
the Canucks were defeated by some unmentionable squad from the states
It was a liquor fuelled crowd to say the least. Inhibitions are down, anger is up and
then somebody starts doing the unexpected. Mob mentality is nothing new.
People who would otherwise never participate are caught up in the moment.
So crowds are a thing. Nothing to do with left or right necessarily
BTW, MOST PROTESTERS IN THIS CASE ARE TAKING TIME TO EXPOSE WHAT THEY CONSIDER A HUGE SOCIETAL INJUSTICE
The fact that you don't even recognize the cause is enough to discredit you
Last edited by limitles; 11-08-2020 at 11:46 PM.
"The founding fathers did not like the idea of the tyranny of the majority ruling the country"
Dan Druff
“I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today if a gift
and that is why it's called the present"
Eleanor Roosevelt
Looting since the beginning of time has been associated with any chaotic event that caused enough disturbance. Opportunity. You're just so self centered and ignorant to even try understanding it. Americans didn't invent looting. It's been around for a while.
You think looting in London during WWII air raids was political in nature? Or hundred other examples that you don't seem to be aware of.
A random glimpse to history times...
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/ins...ome-front.html
"One of the most common crimes was looting. When a building was damaged or destroyed during bombing raids, looters would steal what they could. Both homes and shops were targets. People would come home to find that not only had their home been destroyed, but also that their possessions had been stolen. The loot may have been sold or kept by the individuals."
...Anteeeeeeeeeeefa obv.
Except it's not just looting.
The 1994 Northridge Earthquake (Los Angeles) had some looting following it. It didn't have any rioting, arson, or violence. Notice how it differed from the LA Riots two years earlier, which did have rioting/arson/violence.
Were this only looting, you'd have a point. However, it isn't. It's a full scale of violent protest combined with looting. In fact, some places like Portland have relatively little looting, but tons of violence/arson/vandalism.
Simply put, you're full of shit when you make this comparison.
Your two examples.
These were outbursts of emotion from the public based
on extreme force by "authorities"
But you somehow discard the actions that brought this about.
That is classic Todd. Forget the injustice that brought people into the streets.
You look past all that
Btw, the point of protest is to gain attention. There is no better way
to make your point. So a window gets broken. So a cop is shot in the
back several times. It's all about the message
"The founding fathers did not like the idea of the tyranny of the majority ruling the country"
Dan Druff
“I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today if a gift
and that is why it's called the present"
Eleanor Roosevelt
It's very cute when les pretends to understand America from his small town in BC.
What's to understand?
I guarantee a lot of astrophysicists can
learn you a thing or two about the cosmos
and they've never been there
Last edited by limitles; 11-09-2020 at 04:16 AM.
"The founding fathers did not like the idea of the tyranny of the majority ruling the country"
Dan Druff
“I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today if a gift
and that is why it's called the present"
Eleanor Roosevelt
Yea there's a reason why my reply was ONLY about LOOTING. You were successful in countering a point i didn't make.
This part of the thread was about common criminals being responsible for most of the looting. For unknown reasons you decided to go on a diatribe about the Left doing all of the things.
If you're confused why left is responsible for some protests turning into riots there's all sorts of reasons for that. The biggest reason is conflict escalation.
And don't worry you can find plenty of riots that have nothing to do with the Left, with all of the things (arson/violence/vandalism/looting). The biggest reason why the Right doesn't have much history in US with riots in the last 60ish years is mostly because your protests have been tiny. You know that amazing debunk of 93% of protests being peaceful because most of them were small. Let's just run with that, to waste least amount of time.
Look up The Troubles, if you're interested in protests turning into riots and how conflict escalation works. I assume that's at least something you've heard about.
"The founding fathers did not like the idea of the tyranny of the majority ruling the country"
Dan Druff
“I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today if a gift
and that is why it's called the present"
Eleanor Roosevelt
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