Attention Druff- Regarding permanently shutting up Garett

[sonatine]

slippery slope

i do not agree;

NWP tarred and feathered the lames fucking up the flow there. do you consider this a more entertaining community than NWP was?

i dont.

so if you agree (perhaps you dont of course) then you must admit that sanctioning users who degrade the quality of discourse is clearly for the greater good of the community.

in fact i cant really find a down side to re-implementing a short bus at all.

but again ive said this shit before. and this thread isnt about me hitting the benches. however, what this thread IS about is exactly what led me to take an extended time out; unchecked faggotry.

[WillieMcFML]

slippery slope

i do not agree;

NWP tarred and feathered the lames fucking up the flow there. do you consider this a more entertaining community than NWP was?

i dont.

so if you agree (perhaps you dont of course) then you must admit that sanctioning users who degrade the quality of discourse is clearly for the greater good of the community.

in fact i cant really find a down side to re-implementing a short bus at all.

but again ive said this shit before. and this thread isnt about me hitting the benches. however, what this thread IS about is exactly what led me to take an extended time out; unchecked faggotry.

THIS ISN'T NWP

the user base is a fraction of what nwp was

if druff ban-hammer's every person posting bullshit you are left with like 7 people

i'm just saying, druff is in a no-win situation. there are no easy answers

the best course of action would be to just simply ignore the fail posters, and contribute in threads by non mouth breathers

again, it's not NWP. it will never be NWP

lower your standards and expectations and try to make the most of what we have to work with (like marriage)

[anonamoose]

slippery slope

i do not agree;

NWP tarred and feathered the lames fucking up the flow there. do you consider this a more entertaining community than NWP was?

i dont.

so if you agree (perhaps you dont of course) then you must admit that sanctioning users who degrade the quality of discourse is clearly for the greater good of the community.

in fact i cant really find a down side to re-implementing a short bus at all.

but again ive said this shit before. and this thread isnt about me hitting the benches. however, what this thread IS about is exactly what led me to take an extended time out; unchecked faggotry.

if you're going to "hit the benches" just fucking do it already.

[Gordman]

To be clear, I scaled back my involvement here because its the last watering hole for the internets worst posters. It had nothing to do with the bitching or fighting or 'stirred pots' or anything else.

There is a social science theory to the effect that if the police ignore a smashed window, ten other windows will get smashed. So the police have to prevent nuisance crime like graffiti, pissing in the streets, etc because these minor transgressions generate larger ones. By refusing to effectively weed out subnormals, youve created an environment where legitimately broken bottom feeders know they can ply their shitty trade in front of a captive audience. Its gross, thats all.

People got short bussed for a reason at NWP. But that entire, totally essential dynamic is totally off the table here, and its created an absolute perfect storm of mentally ill stupidity.

For the absolute life of me Druff, I have no idea why you allow it to continue. But again, its your business so mazeltov.

So yeah you know, I'll be back every so often to post pants wrestling videos or keep people up to date on how DJ Craps sold his turntables for a crate of Mexican imitation fruit loops which he eats with pond water and hey, if my mood changes, I'll contribute more content. Neither of our lives will be greatly impacted either way, so you know, no hard feelings or anything.

To be fair, you spent a large part of your time during the beginning of your tenure on the forums obsessed with and incessantly posting dickgirls.

That aside, you are on point.

Druff needs to pull his balls out of his pocket and make some changes...and they aren't even major changes. I don't see the big deal with swinging the banhammer with regularity and bagging....and employing a couple of mods to help keep shit in order. I dont understand what he is afraid of...driving away users? Lol. If that's the case, i can guarantee that a couple of certain threads on here do more to drive away a portion of possible members, than going old school on this forum ever would.

But what do i know. Im just drinking anyways...carry on

[ThisGuyisWhat]

I agree with Sonantine and his sentiments and have looked deep inside myself and have decided to stop being such a troll. After all, I am a leader in this community (as voted on in a private poll) and should be held to a higher standard.

[chinamaniac]

To be clear, I scaled back my involvement here because its the last watering hole for the internets worst posters. It had nothing to do with the bitching or fighting or 'stirred pots' or anything else.

There is a social science theory to the effect that if the police ignore a smashed window, ten other windows will get smashed. So the police have to prevent nuisance crime like graffiti, pissing in the streets, etc because these minor transgressions generate larger ones. By refusing to effectively weed out subnormals, youve created an environment where legitimately broken bottom feeders know they can ply their shitty trade in front of a captive audience. Its gross, thats all.

People got short bussed for a reason at NWP. But that entire, totally essential dynamic is totally off the table here, and its created an absolute perfect storm of mentally ill stupidity.

For the absolute life of me Druff, I have no idea why you allow it to continue. But again, its your business so mazeltov.

So yeah you know, I'll be back every so often to post pants wrestling videos or keep people up to date on how DJ Craps sold his turntables for a crate of Mexican imitation fruit loops which he eats with pond water and hey, if my mood changes, I'll contribute more content. Neither of our lives will be greatly impacted either way, so you know, no hard feelings or anything.

To be fair, you spent a large part of your time during the beginning of your tenure on the forums obsessed with and incessantly posting dickgirls.

That aside, you are on point.

Druff needs to pull his balls out of his pocket and make some changes...and they aren't even major changes. I don't see the big deal with swinging the banhammer with regularity and bagging....and employing a couple of mods to help keep shit in order. I dont understand what he is afraid of...driving away users? Lol. If that's the case, i can guarantee that a couple of certain threads on here do more to drive away a portion of possible members, than going old school on this forum ever would.

But what do i know. Im just drinking anyways...carry on

[Bootsy Collins]

slippery slope

i do not agree;

NWP tarred and feathered the lames fucking up the flow there. do you consider this a more entertaining community than NWP was?

i dont.

so if you agree (perhaps you dont of course) then you must admit that sanctioning users who degrade the quality of discourse is clearly for the greater good of the community.

in fact i cant really find a down side to re-implementing a short bus at all.

but again ive said this shit before. and this thread isnt about me hitting the benches. however, what this thread IS about is exactly what led me to take an extended time out; unchecked faggotry.

I will agree with sonatine here. I stopped posting regularly due to the board being an absolute clusterfuck of retardation from wasted sperm like Garrett and other autistic creeps. Why Druff gave them an infinite amount of leash baffles me. I thought Druff wanted some amount of intelligence on his board.

Unfortunately I came onboard during the tail end of Donkdown post Druff. I missed the glory days of NWP. I missed the Carter and Boris72. I actually found this community from playing a 4-8 HORSE game at the Venetian. Micon's cousin Dave was next to me and we shot the shit for 3 plus hours but I digress. I enjoyed the fact that I needed to pay my dues to earn respect. I will commend Vegas and wrench for the way they moderated DD when I was there.

The point that I want to make is that if Druff wants to run a totalitarian site, so be it. But if history shows, those types of empires tend to crumble.

[WillieMcFML]

ban not working so well, druff

i haven't even read his im's yet. i can only imagine what kind of insanity awaits me.

[michael]

NWP tarred and feathered the lames fucking up the flow there.

I never got the bag. I did go through quite a list though. Superdonkey, emo fag (no hard feelings wrench, lolz), and super beggar to name a few.

[sonatine]

NWP tarred and feathered the lames fucking up the flow there.

I never got the bag. I did go through quite a list though. Superdonkey, emo fag (no hard feelings wrench, lolz), and super beggar to name a few.

it took me a while to appreciate you because i was a huge asshole mostly but you were one of my favorite posters after a while.


my first of course was

 

Ramiro Da Champ

[DRK Star]

[Gordman]

I never got the bag. I did go through quite a list though. Superdonkey, emo fag (no hard feelings wrench, lolz), and super beggar to name a few.

it took me a while to appreciate you because i was a huge asshole mostly but you were one of my favorite posters after a while.


my first of course was

 

Ramiro Da Champ

Im half in the bag, but im confused.

COol story. Im half in the bag but are you saying that ramiro was your first dupe or what are you saying? Pretty sure you had more dupes before him but yeah, he did well polishing the headlights of his camaro with his cock

[Dan Druff]

So banned users can even use the IM feature?



That's a new one on me. What a piece of shit. This is a piece of third-party software which I installed on top of vBulletin. It's the exact same software that lakingsfan put on DD back in 2009.

Anyway, I will just change garrett's password, and that will be the end of that.

I will also work on fixing this software this weekend.

[SrslySirius]

Either my chat is broken, or none of you psychopaths deem me worthy of harassment.

[tyde]

So banned users can even use the IM feature?



That's a new one on me. What a piece of shit. This is a piece of third-party software which I installed on top of vBulletin. It's the exact same software that lakingsfan put on DD back in 2009.

Anyway, I will just change garrett's password, and that will be the end of that.

I will also work on fixing this software this weekend.

yea work real hard on that mister computer science graduate

it's basically a one-click fix

there is no 'fixing the software' within VBulletin dumbass

it annoys the fuck out of me when I see you spouting off about all these amazing upgrades

a 7 year old mongoloid could hammer out some of these so called fixes in less than 30 seconds

start another thread about adding another emoticon

fuck

[tyde]

talk all the shit you want about the so called 'fail' of tydepoker versions....BUT

I do know VBulletin's admin panel fairly well

and Todd is fucking retarded

[tyde]

love the new threads that Todd proudly stickied when he was so excited about adding a new way to embed video etc

also...

worst smiley library ever...and quite possibly the ugliest homepage in the history of the interwebs

could you possibly be any LESS creative ?

sweet site logo

what a fucking marketing prodigy

#tesla

[anonamoose]

love the new threads that Todd proudly stickied when he was so excited about adding a new way to embed video etc

also...

worst smiley library ever...and quite possibly the ugliest homepage in the history of the interwebs

could you possibly be any LESS creative ?

sweet site logo

what a fucking marketing prodigy

#tesla

because tydepoker was totally state of the art.

[Dan Druff]

slippery slope

i do not agree;

NWP tarred and feathered the lames fucking up the flow there. do you consider this a more entertaining community than NWP was?

i dont.

so if you agree (perhaps you dont of course) then you must admit that sanctioning users who degrade the quality of discourse is clearly for the greater good of the community.

in fact i cant really find a down side to re-implementing a short bus at all.

but again ive said this shit before. and this thread isnt about me hitting the benches. however, what this thread IS about is exactly what led me to take an extended time out; unchecked idioticry.

NWP existed from 2004-2009 -- also known as the poker boom.

Do I wish this site had the traffic of NWP? Sure.

I also wish I could fire up Pokerstars and play 200-400 limit holdem against megafish.

I also wish I could get 5 figures for wearing a hat and stick-on logo at every televised WSOP table, of which there were many.

I also wish I could deposit anywhere easily with no fees, and withdraw large sums of money within days (or sometimes even hours).

Get the picture yet? It's not the 2000s anymore, and this isn't NWP.

Here is the reality:

We have a small-but-active core of regular posters, a fair number of lurk-and-post-occasionally people, and a good number of lurkers who read for entertainment but have never wanted to enter the fray (and likely never will).

If I start banhammering the uncool kids, we will be left with a circle jerk of a small number of guys posting the same things to each other over and over.

There's already a site where you can do that. It's known as Skatz. Anyone who wants to pahticipate in that highly insulated circle jerk of inside jokes and pseudo-intellectual one upmanship is welcome to register an account there at any time, but that's not the type of community I'm going for here.

I like the fact that there is a flow of new and unknown blood around here. Sometimes the new posters are good, sometimes they're ok, and sometimes they're terrible, but at least they're new. At least they bring something different to the table.

I don't want to get rid of the stupid people.

I don't want to get rid of the weird people.

I don't want to get rid of the offensive or annoying people.

I want this forum to be a place for open and free expression.

Now, there are some things I don't want to see here.

I don't want people who are threatening.

I don't want people who are mentally ill, and use this forum as a projection of their mental illness.

I don't want people who are here primarily for the purpose of getting me angry, repeatedly insulting me, or making my own site unenjoyable for me. I'll tolerate this to some degree, but if that becomes someone's primary routine here, they're gone. I stated that way back in early 2012, before this site even went up.

I don't want people here who show a blatant disregard for the very simple rules here, such as ones who purposely ruin good threads with attacks and trolling.


Bottom line is that this is a place for free form expression, and the only people I want to ban or censor are the ones who are either really disruptive or are only here to cause me grief.

garrett is banned. He is done here. I should have sent him away a long time ago, because I don't think this community is a healthy place for him to be. It's not surprising we got to this point. I should have shut it all down earlier, and told him that he'd be better off elsewhere.

That decision was easy, and I think almost all of us can agree upon it.

However, from there it gets much tougher.

Many have clamored to ban thesparten, but he has very much toned down his prolific posting in recent months (at my request), and his 20+ page restaurant thread has actually become interesting.

Mumbles may say some foolish things (his low point was giving "advice" to Brandon and cmoney after they lost that huge Aldo bet), but he also writes coherently and isn't attempting to troll anyone. Even if you hate his posts, he is usually on topic, not trolling, and lays out his thoughts clearly, so I'm definitely not banning him.

ThisGuyIsWhat is clearly hungry for attention, but unless his presence becomes really disruptive, I'm not removing him, either.

I see that michael returned recently. That's great, but recall that the masses of NWP demanded michael's ban for the first few months of his presence on the site. A quick ban of unpopular posters is not necessarily a good thing.

So what should I be doing? Putting "bags" on people? What purpose does that serve? So we can make the lesser-liked posters wear virtual dunce caps, while we snicker in superiority? I don't see how that makes the forum any better. People can be "shamed" into posting better without stupid titles and forced avatars. Most of us are over 35 here. Time to grow up.

Look, if you really want an environment where everyone is intelligent, well-written, and logical, there are other places on the web to go with a more authoritarian moderation style, and you can have your fun talking to the same people every day for years. That's not what this site will ever be.


Willie said it best. If you want this place to be more readable, contribute good content of your own. If the idiots here ruin good threads, then you will have more ammunition to have me remove them.

Good, intelligent discussions can still be had here. Look at the designated hitter thread I started today. 19 posts so far, and all of them are on-topic and intelligent, with no trolling or awfulness.

Create good discussion topics, and the good content will follow.

Dedicate your time here to trolling those with whom you disagree, and you will just contribute to the unreadability.


Bottom line is that I am going to start being a bit tougher on serial site disrupters. I will be quicker to ask (or force) posters of frequent crap tone it down. At the same time, I am going to stay the course with my general moderation style of PFA, with little tweaks here and there to make things better.

If that's not good enough, you know where the Log Out button is.

[SysOp]

So banned users can even use the IM feature?



That's a new one on me. What a piece of shit. This is a piece of third-party software which I installed on top of vBulletin. It's the exact same software that lakingsfan put on DD back in 2009.

Anyway, I will just change garrett's password, and that will be the end of that.

I will also work on fixing this software this weekend.

yea work real hard on that mister computer science graduate

it's basically a one-click fix

there is no 'fixing the software' within VBulletin dumbass

it annoys the fuck out of me when I see you spouting off about all these amazing upgrades

a 7 year old mongoloid could hammer out some of these so called fixes in less than 30 seconds

start another thread about adding another emoticon

fuck

i have to agree with tyde here, vbulletin is very easy to implement stuff/delete stuff. Druff talks a lot of crap about keeping the show going and the site going but, let's be honest it's dead here. "I run everything here, the control board" ROFL You aren't even using a mixer, you turn your mic on and start broadcasting and take a call from skype. It's not rocket science and you do a good job, but stop acting like you're running a professional studio mixing board producing the show on the fly rofl.