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    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
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    call it a day costa, we don't want another hongkonger donkdown-style meltdown

    It's the truth, he's too busy bashing on his ex butt buddy to be working on his Mix game.
    Can we just agree that Druff will get his second bracelet before you get your first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24

    Don't you have better things to do DRUFF? Work on your mix games it's the only real shot you have at winning another bracelet

    you get to criticize druff when you have even a tiny fraction of his poker success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    You offered to answer a few questions Druff. Let's start with these.

    If SWC did not take the site down themselves what process would have been required to block the website from the public? Would Federal assistance be required? What authority does this? Would this have escalated Micon's foes?

    I am still astounded by Malmuth's prediction that Micon will be offered a 6 month plea. What was Malmuth's agenda there? He couldn't have been serious? Why did he post this nonsense on PFA? I recall abrown claiming the minimum for this crime is 1 year. No chance.

    Why have new charges not been filed for the new site? Do the simpletons at NGC just see this as the same operation? Whoever NGC assigned to this case must have a computer, right? Micon has been very clear this is a new enterprise. Why not carpet bomb Micon with additional counts? At least to protect the lol "licensed" sites - add further pressure.

    Does Alvin Finkelstein have to make a new complaint regarding SWC2? Would we at PFA be amenable to a weekly freeroll donation in Bitcoin to refrain from engaging in a few yucks? The call would be very interesting if not funny. Light regulation amuses me.
    Hello Sanlmar,

    Given his closeness to the situation and potential for subpoena, the individual you know as "Dan Druff" has referred your queries to my office.

    First off, it is important for you to understand that Mason Malmuth did not post anything on this forum. He does not have an account here. Someone on this site reposted Malmuth's 2+2 post regarding his prediction about Micon's final judicial fate. I believe Malmuth was engaging in an off-the-cuff guess, and was not claiming any sort of legal expertise or insider knowledge.

    You have inquired what remedies the state of Nevada would have had regarding the cessation of services of Sealswithclubs.eu. The short answer is that they really wouldn't have much power over the situation, unless they really wanted to take unprecedented countermeasures, such as black ops cyber attacks. Given that the server was hosted in Romania, and the domain was of a .eu suffix, the state of Nevada (and even the US government) would face significant legal hurdles in physically taking the site down. Furthermore, they do not have authority to block Americans from accessing any website. It is possible for the state of Nevada or US government to simply pressure the Romanian server to take down the site, in order to prevent potential legal trouble or government retaliation. Often times, these service providers will yield to the pressuring government, as it's not worth a few hundred bucks a month to go to war with such a powerful entity. There are also legal procedures to remove the .eu domain from anyone utilizing the domains to break US laws, but this tends to be ineffective, as the site in question simply hops to another top level domain, and it becomes a tedious game of whack-a-mole. In most cases, it is much easier for the government to simply investigate the site and go after the individual(s) involved with it. If it were simple and painless to remove unlicensed sites from being accessible to Americans, Bovada would have been gone a long time ago.

    Regarding swcpoker, I believe the NGC is choosing not to go after that site as a form of future leverage. swcpoker by itself is a lesser offense than sealswithclubs, because Micon has never lived in Nevada (or the US) while running swcpoker. By that logic, if Micon can beat the charge involving sealswithclubs, he can certainly also beat any charges related to swcpoker on the same premise. Therefore, filing additional charges involving swcpoker at this point is redundant.

    What do I mean by leverage?

    This case is complicated by the fact that after Micon's home was searched due to suspicion of a crime, he relocated outside the country and started a new website committing that exact same crime. That new site is still running to this day, even in the face of all the recent legal pressures he is facing.

    In many criminal cases, the ability to obtain a strong conviction comes from perception. Even if you have the suspect dead to rights as far as evidence of guilt, there always exists some doubt when the jury is factored in, as juries are non-legal-practicing human beings who often vote on emotion. Furthermore, a sympathetic judge may also issue an inappropriately light sentence. Therefore, it is to the prosecutor's advantage to portray the defendant as an unsympathetic and vile individual.

    Had Bryan Micon simply shut down sealswithclubs on February 11 after the search and seizure, taken an apologetic tone, and feigned ignorance of the fact that Nevada gaming laws apply to bitcoin, he could have been in fairly good shape.

    Had Mr. Micon contacted my office on February 11, I would have advised him to do the following:

    - Stay put, and fully cooperate

    - Acknowledge that you have portrayed yourself as upper management of the site, but that this was simply posturing from both a marketing and personal ego standpoint. Offer examples from your past of grandiose claims of importance which were greatly exaggerated for effect. Create a sympathetic portrait of a lovable loser who desired to be seen as successful for once.

    - Stress that you have no knowledge of the identities of the actual owners of Seals. Make it clear that you never had any access to any of the funds going in or out of the site. Make it clear that the site already existed prior to your involvement, and that you had an agreement to masquerade as upper management in order to bring some trustworthiness to the operation, but in reality you had zero power over its operations.

    - Promise to cease involvement in any gambling sites, bitcoin or otherwise, now and forever.

    The above would not have been foolproof, and he easily still could have gone to jail, especially given that the search and seizure yielded damning evidence such as server invoices for sealswithclubs. Still, the prosecutors would have seen two inherent flaws in their case, namely that there are no specific laws on the books regarding the wagering of bitcoin, and that Micon never was involved in sending or receiving the bitcoin that were being wagered, nor were the servers located in his house.

    Unfortunately, Micon's actions since February 11th were quite damaging to himself.

    Fleeing the country and setting up a new site which is virtually identical (and still serving Nevada residents) looks very bad. Not only does this anger the prosecution, but it removes all forms of sympathy and doubt that might exist on the part of the jury, who perhaps could have been otherwise convinced that Micon believed bitcoin gambling to be legal. After the February 11 raid, he could no longer claim such ignorance, and jumping to Antigua to continue committing the crime unmolested is unfortunately very damning to his case and courtroom image. In addition, the fact that he was now the sole owner and operator of the new site also removed believability of claim that he was simply the marketing guy from the last one.

    However, as bad as that was, continuing to operate swcpoker after the arrest warrant was issued on April 27 was even worse. At least prior to April 27, Micon could have claimed that the search was not indicative he was guilty of a crime, and that he continued running bitcoin gaming because he felt that the search and subsequent analysis would turn up proof of his innocence. After April 27, he was actually charged with the crime of running sealswithclubs, and yet continued running a nearly identical site despite that charge. The final remaining shreds of sympathy or compassion of the prosecution, judge, or jury are now completely out the window.

    By not attempting to go after swcpoker, the prosecution gains the advantage of the terrible perception of Micon which grows worse each day he continues to operate that site. He has obtained top-flight counsel and is apparently trying to fight the charges, but yet still can't bring himself to take down the new site. Is he actually going to go to court, ask them to dismiss all charges, and yet acknowledge that the new site he created committing the exact same offense is still operational? Can you imagine how that would look? I can tell you that I've never seen anything like it in my years of law practice and case study since I first passed the bar in New Mexico back in 1993.

    In summary, the prosecution is letting Micon string a longer and longer rope for himself with swcpoker, and are ready to tie it into a noose when he finally gears himself up to fight the existing charge. It's one thing to lose your head and set up a new site after your partners get scared and take the first site down. It's another to have the chutzpah to keep running that new site while fighting a charge related to the old one.

    If Chesnoff and Schonfeld are worth even 1% of the lofty retainer they require, they should be strongly advising Micon to take down swcpoker immediately.

     
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      vegas1369: Excellent. That $350 that you will charge druff to take a half hour to write this up is worth it IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post

    It's the truth, he's too busy bashing on his ex butt buddy to be working on his Mix game.
    Can we just agree that Druff will get his second bracelet before you get your first?
    We'll find out in a few weeks...has anyone told you you're a poor man's Sirsly serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24

    Don't you have better things to do DRUFF? Work on your mix games it's the only real shot you have at winning another bracelet

    you get to criticize druff when you have even a tiny fraction of his poker success.
    Remove balls from mouth Crow

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    jacosta, you seem like a good kid who really loves poker, but you are ten years too late

    you can't give shit to a bracelet winner who is worth 7 figures when you blog about winning freerolls

    know your role (and roll) and it will be a lot easier for you around here

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillieMcFML View Post
    jacosta, you seem like a good kid who really loves poker, but you are ten years too late

    you can't give shit to a bracelet winner who is worth 7 figures when you blog about winning freerolls

    know your role (and roll) and it will be a lot easier for you around here
    Thanks for reading my blog! At the $5 level now!

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    bruh, you have 19 blog posts..... just hold this L fuckboiii

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24

    Don't you have better things to do DRUFF? Work on your mix games it's the only real shot you have at winning another bracelet

    you get to criticize druff when you have even a tiny fraction of his poker success.
    You have no idea who you are talking to. He has already locked up the bracelet.....Read his blog.

    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
    I look forward to writing my next blog post on the feeling of winning my first braclet!

     
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    Does anybody know if u can get a work visa for playing online poker in the UK
    I have had Issues with credit cards in Europe
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    you're more consumed with accumulating wealth than achieving spiritual enlightenment
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    Getting a little surf and turf tonight. In my world that is Sea Bass with a nice lobster tail on the side. And grilled asparagus. It's nice having money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krypt View Post
    bruh, you have 19 blog posts..... just hold this L fuckboiii
    Who the fuck are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muck Ficon View Post
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    you get to criticize druff when you have even a tiny fraction of his poker success.
    You have no idea who you are talking to. He has already locked up the bracelet.....Read his blog.

    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
    I look forward to writing my next blog post on the feeling of winning my first braclet!
    I got the feels on that one thanks Ficon

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
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    bruh, you have 19 blog posts..... just hold this L fuckboiii
    Who the fuck are you?

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    You message me at least 2 times a day....crying because I neg rep you.....and bragging because you can finally afford a WSOP event.
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    you're more consumed with accumulating wealth than achieving spiritual enlightenment
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    Getting a little surf and turf tonight. In my world that is Sea Bass with a nice lobster tail on the side. And grilled asparagus. It's nice having money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post

    Can we just agree that Druff will get his second bracelet before you get your first?
    We'll find out in a few weeks...has anyone told you you're a poor man's Sirsly serious?
    Do you think 'the poker world' is the only world? Cause it's a mighty small one compared to the pond I compete in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post

    We'll find out in a few weeks...has anyone told you you're a poor man's Sirsly serious?
    Do you think 'the poker world' is the only world? Cause it's a mighty small one compared to the pond I compete in.
    He thinks he's the next big thing in poker. What he doesn't realize is that this shit is all played out and no one cares about poker anymore.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muck Ficon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post

    Do you think 'the poker world' is the only world? Cause it's a mighty small one compared to the pond I compete in.
    He thinks he's the next big thing in poker. What he doesn't realize is that this shit is all played out and no one cares about poker anymore.
    So he's like a poor man's Erik Ryland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post

    We'll find out in a few weeks...has anyone told you you're a poor man's Sirsly serious?
    Do you think 'the poker world' is the only world? Cause it's a mighty small one compared to the pond I compete in.
    Sorry guys lets get back to trolling Micons gofundme page lol what a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muck Ficon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post

    Do you think 'the poker world' is the only world? Cause it's a mighty small one compared to the pond I compete in.
    He thinks he's the next big thing in poker. What he doesn't realize is that this shit is all played out and no one cares about poker anymore.

    Maybe you don't because you went busto in 2006 when game was "soft"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Muck Ficon View Post

    He thinks he's the next big thing in poker. What he doesn't realize is that this shit is all played out and no one cares about poker anymore.

    Maybe you don't because you went busto in 2006 when game was "soft"
    shut it down leeroy
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Muck Ficon View Post

    He thinks he's the next big thing in poker. What he doesn't realize is that this shit is all played out and no one cares about poker anymore.

    Maybe you don't because you went busto in 2006 when game was "soft"
    In 2006 you were 15 or 16 years old.....keep telling me about how poker was back then though.....

     
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    let's be honest. who actually plays poker here?

    i just come for the luls



     
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