jsearles and Chinamaniac debate about the value of his WSOP pieces

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

I'm waiting for you to dodge this one you clown shoe

[bottomset316]

Not trying to fag up this thread, but it just amazes me people are willing to gamble on a bet that might pay a couple hundred bucks 90 days later. I spent $140 the other night on dinner / drinks and did not think twice. Tough economy I guess.

Seriously, "investing" in China playing online poker? You know how ridiculous that is? How about you fags just buy a bunch of scratch offs.

How is the diet China? You back up around 3 bills again?

This place is infested with ball lickers.

[jsearles22]

I'm waiting for you to dodge this one you clown shoe

Fuck, cant a guy go to lunch? I went and had a nice Jimmy Johns sub and by the time I got back I find this:

Sold Out, I am waiting to hear from a few backers from last stake, if they dont buy I will take it, please ship reserves.

$550 remains reserved for guys from last bap. Will update when I start

I had also sent China a PM this morning that he never replied to asking if he would in fact accept my $500. He answered all questions in the thread but never the PM, so I can only assume he didnt want to/wouldnt take my money. I fully intended to invest but now it appears that the investment opportunity has passed me up.

If you want action, I will give you action though Justified. We can escrow $25 with whomever you want and Im sure we can hammer out a wager if you are set on it. NBA? Who do you like? I dont really know anything about the NHL. Im not sure what else is going on right now. You sure seem dead set to one up me though, so you can pick something. Do you need $25, I could loan it to you.

[bottomset316]

Not trying to fag up this thread, but it just amazes me people are willing to gamble on a bet that might pay a couple hundred bucks 90 days later. I spent $140 the other night on dinner / drinks and did not think twice. Tough economy I guess.

Seriously, "investing" in China playing online poker? You know how ridiculous that is? How about you fags just buy a bunch of scratch offs.

How is the diet China? You back up around 3 bills again?

This place is infested with ball lickers.

Please take the trolling to this thread


http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-pieces/page31

No offense China, but you can request nothing. You had a forum and it went out of business. I'll post whenever and wherever I want. You are a guest here

As I stated, I just think its hilarious people are "investing" in your scheme. LOL.

Starting to warm up to this JSearles guy. I think he might be onto something.

[limitles]

Please take the trolling to this thread


http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-pieces/page31

No offense China, but you can request nothing. You had a forum and it went out of business. I'll post whenever and wherever I want. You are a guest here

As I stated, I just think its hilarious people are "investing" in your scheme. LOL.

Starting to warm up to this JSearles guy. I think he might be onto something.

I don't understand why China gets to clutter this forum with a business proposition? He did it at DD, he does it here, not to mention the promotion of his new competing website over and over again

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

Fuck, cant a guy go to lunch? I went and had a nice Jimmy Johns sub and by the time I got back I find this:

Sold Out, I am waiting to hear from a few backers from last stake, if they dont buy I will take it, please ship reserves.

$550 remains reserved for guys from last bap. Will update when I start

I had also sent China a PM this morning that he never replied to asking if he would in fact accept my $500. He answered all questions in the thread but never the PM, so I can only assume he didnt want to/wouldnt take my money. I fully intended to invest but now it appears that the investment opportunity has passed me up.

If you want action, I will give you action though Justified. We can escrow $25 with whomever you want and Im sure we can hammer out a wager if you are set on it. NBA? Who do you like? I dont really know anything about the NHL. Im not sure what else is going on right now. You sure seem dead set to one up me though, so you can pick something. Do you need $25, I could loan it to you.

I'm pretty sure I've made more this week playing poker(not even my real job) than you do in a month thanks for the offer though. You hold onto it, since you seem to be the one not able to pay his debts

[jsearles22]

Not that anyone should really be surprised, but China is outright lying about his past BAP results. He has published that $1000 invested had a 20% return so $200 profit when he in fact returned $188/thousand invested. This could be looked at as just careless rounding, but I disagree. Ask any business in the world if they simply fudge 1.2% off the bottom line?

So this got me thinking, has he been stretching the truth all along? So i decided to look into his first BAP that he claims had a 100% ROI. Imagine my surprise when I stumble upon this:

http://www.donkdown.com/forum/6000-c...ml?hilit=stake

Its pretty plain that his numbers arent adding up.



So after China rounded up, the first stake ended at a 75% ROI even though China has been trumpeting a 100% ROI? So two baps and China hasnt accurately portrayed the results of either one of them to future investors?

[jsearles22]

Fuck, cant a guy go to lunch? I went and had a nice Jimmy Johns sub and by the time I got back I find this:


I had also sent China a PM this morning that he never replied to asking if he would in fact accept my $500. He answered all questions in the thread but never the PM, so I can only assume he didnt want to/wouldnt take my money. I fully intended to invest but now it appears that the investment opportunity has passed me up.

If you want action, I will give you action though Justified. We can escrow $25 with whomever you want and Im sure we can hammer out a wager if you are set on it. NBA? Who do you like? I dont really know anything about the NHL. Im not sure what else is going on right now. You sure seem dead set to one up me though, so you can pick something. Do you need $25, I could loan it to you.

I'm pretty sure I've made more this week playing poker(not even my real job) than you do in a month thanks for the offer though. You hold onto it, since you seem to be the one not able to pay his debts

What are you basing that on? I love internet trash talkers that are always tougher, richer, and better looking. You have absolutely ZERO idea how much money I make. It could be $40K, it could be $400K. You will come back with some juvenile "I bet you work at McDonalds" BS and it will only make you look more petty. This audacious bragging is truly hilarious.

[jsearles22]

Not that anyone should really be surprised, but China is outright lying about his past BAP results. He has published that $1000 invested had a 20% return so $200 profit when he in fact returned $188/thousand invested. This could be looked at as just careless rounding, but I disagree. Ask any business in the world if they simply fudge 1.2% off the bottom line?

So this got me thinking, has he been stretching the truth all along? So i decided to look into his first BAP that he claims had a 100% ROI. Imagine my surprise when I stumble upon this:

http://www.donkdown.com/forum/6000-c...ml?hilit=stake

Its pretty plain that his numbers arent adding up.



So after China rounded up, the first stake ended at a 75% ROI even though China has been trumpeting a 100% ROI? So two baps and China hasnt accurately portrayed the results of either one of them to future investors?

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

I'm pretty sure I've made more this week playing poker(not even my real job) than you do in a month thanks for the offer though. You hold onto it, since you seem to be the one not able to pay his debts

What are you basing that on? I love internet trash talkers that are always tougher, richer, and better looking. You have absolutely ZERO idea how much money I make. It could be $40K, it could be $400K. You will come back with some juvenile "I bet you work at McDonalds" BS and it will only make you look more petty. This audacious bragging is truly hilarious.

I'm basing it on a few things. The fact you need to run BAPs just to play micro stakes poker. The fact you sit on here day and night. Meaning you probably don't make much money. We know you're not at Mcdonalds. The drive thru would be too busy for your post frequency and I don't even think they have wifi. I'm also basing it on the fact I've made more money this week than any average American, and you don't even compare to "the average American"

So you wanted action. Let's place a wager that I've made more this week than you do in a month. Ya know, since I'm such a lying clown. We can escrow money and information with someone trust worthy. I don't want all my info out there as I'm sure you don't either.

[jsearles22]

What are you basing that on? I love internet trash talkers that are always tougher, richer, and better looking. You have absolutely ZERO idea how much money I make. It could be $40K, it could be $400K. You will come back with some juvenile "I bet you work at McDonalds" BS and it will only make you look more petty. This audacious bragging is truly hilarious.

I'm basing it on a few things. The fact you need to run BAPs just to play micro stakes poker. The fact you sit on here day and night. Meaning you probably don't make much money. We know you're not at Mcdonalds. The drive thru would be too busy for your post frequency and I don't even think they have wifi. I'm also basing it on the fact I've made more money this week than any average American, and you don't even compare to "the average American"

So you wanted action. Let's place a wager that I've made more this week than you do in a month. Ya know, since I'm such a lying clown. We can escrow money and information with someone trust worthy. I don't want all my info out there as I'm sure you don't either.

You may in fact be good at poker, because thats a solid read. Ive said it before and I will say it again; im not rich but im not poor. I am college educated and my job reflects that . I think I do very well for myself. You are also correct that I dont compare to the average American because my income is in fact higher then that.

Taking your wager would be foolish as you easily could have won say $20K this week if you had a good run. I dont make 250,000+ per year (unless I hit a big bonus which i havent done for a couple of years) so thats not a wager I am interested in. Thanks though

[limitles]

Scenario ....the Twin Towers are collapsing....China bumps his staking thread

[jsearles22]

Not that anyone should really be surprised, but China is outright lying about his past BAP results. He has published that $1000 invested had a 20% return so $200 profit when he in fact returned $188/thousand invested. This could be looked at as just careless rounding, but I disagree. Ask any business in the world if they simply fudge 1.2% off the bottom line?

So this got me thinking, has he been stretching the truth all along? So i decided to look into his first BAP that he claims had a 100% ROI. Imagine my surprise when I stumble upon this:

http://www.donkdown.com/forum/6000-c...ml?hilit=stake

Its pretty plain that his numbers arent adding up.



So after China rounded up, the first stake ended at a 75% ROI even though China has been trumpeting a 100% ROI? So two baps and China hasnt accurately portrayed the results of either one of them to future investors?

I went off the top of my head for the first BAP as I typed this up in literally 10 minutes and I used the word "roughly" when describing both ROIS after closing the other thread. My thought process when typing the first BAP was I remembered Tommyboy investing roughly 2k and paying him 4k and the similar with IV because they were the 2 big checks I wrote hence why I used the word "roughly". Tommy actually invested $2250 and was paid close to 4k which would be 75% and would make you correct.

If this makes anyone change there minds then then can have their shares refunded for this stake if they think I was maliciously lying trying to sell shares lol.


While we are at it I will add one ROI that I didn't post in the thread, I have a rough, 200,000 to 300,000 ROI on cash game investments in my career.


I actually rounded up most of the guys on this stake and probably paid out over an average of 20% when the profit was actually 18.88 % that was earned but I still paid more. I even gave my biggest backer a bonus of $100 for buying half of the last stake as well. So in actuality the average ROI on this stake was over 20% paid out overall not including the $100 bonus

When talking about an "investment" you cant say roughly 100% ROI when its actually 75%! If someone invests $1000 there is a big difference between getting back $750 profit or $1000. It looks worse for you when you have two BAPS and you havent calculated the % correct on either one of them. I gave you a mini pass on the 1.2% fudge but 25%? And dont give me this "typed it up in 10 min" line either. I could show you multiple posts across multiple forums where you have been saying "doubled their money" or "100% ROI" for months. Its simply not true. Furthermore, the bulk of your ad is copied and pasted from previous BAPs

Also, your probably paid over 20% is BS too. Here is where you posted the numbers:
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...ke-Thread-Rail
Are you claiming that anyone with $1188 was shipped $1200, the $594s were paid $600, the $59s were shipped $60, etc? Would you be willing to verify that? And the $100 bonus doesnt factor in either, unless you are being purposefully decietful. You cant tell all your backers you returned 20%, then give them 18.8% but trumpet a bonus you gave 1 of the multiple backers. I dont see how any of this makes sense to you? Your full time job is this stuff but you feel its ok to offer up incorrect results becaue you said the word roughly?

[chinamaniac]

I went off the top of my head for the first BAP as I typed this up in literally 10 minutes and I used the word "roughly" when describing both ROIS after closing the other thread. My thought process when typing the first BAP was I remembered Tommyboy investing roughly 2k and paying him 4k and the similar with IV because they were the 2 big checks I wrote hence why I used the word "roughly". Tommy actually invested $2250 and was paid close to 4k which would be 75% and would make you correct.

If this makes anyone change there minds then then can have their shares refunded for this stake if they think I was maliciously lying trying to sell shares lol.


While we are at it I will add one ROI that I didn't post in the thread, I have a rough, 200,000 to 300,000 ROI on cash game investments in my career.


I actually rounded up most of the guys on this stake and probably paid out over an average of 20% when the profit was actually 18.88 % that was earned but I still paid more. I even gave my biggest backer a bonus of $100 for buying half of the last stake as well. So in actuality the average ROI on this stake was over 20% paid out overall not including the $100 bonus

When talking about an "investment" you cant say roughly 100% ROI when its actually 75%! If someone invests $1000 there is a big difference between getting back $750 profit or $1000. It looks worse for you when you have two BAPS and you havent calculated the % correct on either one of them. I gave you a mini pass on the 1.2% fudge but 25%? And dont give me this "typed it up in 10 min" line either. I could show you multiple posts across multiple forums where you have been saying "doubled their money" or "100% ROI" for months. Its simply not true. Furthermore, the bulk of your ad is copied and pasted from previous BAPs

I answered your allegations and said I would refund backers if they think I am maliciously lying to try and gain something here.

I will reiterate I used the words roughly because it was a rough estimate of what I remembered. Next time I will just say I have made a lot of money for my backers , in fact 10s of thousands and have profited on every stake.

Ok here you go, I came VERY CLOSE to doubling my backers investment on Bap #1 and I mis-remembered the exact % when I typed this up. They could have been more than doubled which is why I went with a rough estimate of what I remembered paying Tommy and IV.


I am not debating you any further or responding to you any further in this thread. You made your point. I made mine and said if what you posted makes people feel they don't want to invest then so be it.

[jsearles22]

When talking about an "investment" you cant say roughly 100% ROI when its actually 75%! If someone invests $1000 there is a big difference between getting back $750 profit or $1000. It looks worse for you when you have two BAPS and you havent calculated the % correct on either one of them. I gave you a mini pass on the 1.2% fudge but 25%? And dont give me this "typed it up in 10 min" line either. I could show you multiple posts across multiple forums where you have been saying "doubled their money" or "100% ROI" for months. Its simply not true. Furthermore, the bulk of your ad is copied and pasted from previous BAPs

I answered your allegations and said I would refund backers if they think I am maliciously lying to try and gain something here.

I will reiterate I used the words roughly because it was a rough estimate of what I remembered. Next time I will just say I have made a lot of money for my backers , in fact 10s of thousands and have profited on every stake.

Ok here you go, I came VERY CLOSE to doubling my backers investment on Bap #1 and I mis-remembered the exact % when I typed this up. They could have been more than doubled which is why I went with a rough estimate of what I remembered paying Tommy and IV.


I am not debating you any further or responding to you any further in this thread. You made your point. I made mine and said if what you posted makes people feel they don't want to invest then so be it.

If you think $4500 in profit is VERY CLOSE to doubling a $6000 stake, then I dont know what to tell you buddy.

Getting caught fudging the numbers and then offering a refund is like a thief offering to simply give back something he stole. This on the heels of China rounding up $10K for a WSOP run then deciding not to play and offering the great "you can slide it into my new BAP if you want" all while lying about past results is classic.

Buyer beware!

[jsearles22]

Please stop trolling this thread.

I don't see why a thread like this, which should be straightforward and non-controversial, seems to always attract certain trolls who want to criticize it and talk people out buying pieces of China.

I mean, I've played with China in tons of games on Merge and I can tell you that he's +EV in those games.

He has come out ahead in both stakes run so far, including the last one where he had a terrible start.

He has always paid out quickly and honestly.

I just don't understand what there is to troll here.

If you want to complain about China, his stake, or his results, please do it in the other thread he kept linking here.

Finally, someone asked why I allow China to "spam" the board with his stakes. I don't consider it spam. People here legitimately want to invest in him, and he has been a contributing member of this community for a long time.

China kept linking everyone to a thread discussing his WSOP stake (which in of itself is funny since he isnt playing there now and he is asking for everyone to roll their money into this one!).
Druff, you put yourself out there as impartial guy. If you dont think its fair to question a guy who says he had a 100% ROI when it was truly 75%, then I dont know what to tell you. Thats a major discrepancy.
And I apologize for the post just above this one. You and I must have been typing at the same time

[chinamaniac]

I answered your allegations and said I would refund backers if they think I am maliciously lying to try and gain something here.

I will reiterate I used the words roughly because it was a rough estimate of what I remembered. Next time I will just say I have made a lot of money for my backers , in fact 10s of thousands and have profited on every stake.

Ok here you go, I came VERY CLOSE to doubling my backers investment on Bap #1 and I mis-remembered the exact % when I typed this up. They could have been more than doubled which is why I went with a rough estimate of what I remembered paying Tommy and IV.


I am not debating you any further or responding to you any further in this thread. You made your point. I made mine and said if what you posted makes people feel they don't want to invest then so be it.

If you think $4500 in profit is VERY CLOSE to doubling a $6000 stake

actually it is 2 hands close in the games I play

[chinamaniac]

If you think $4500 in profit is VERY CLOSE to doubling a $6000 stake, then I dont know what to tell you buddy.

Getting caught fudging the numbers and then offering a refund is like a thief offering to simply give back something he stole. This on the heels of China rounding up $10K for a WSOP run then deciding not to play and offering the great "you can slide it into my new BAP if you want" all while lying about past results is classic.

Buyer beware!

Beware of what?
That he might profit only 75%?

LOL seriously this guy is off his rocker and has been convicted of scamming a long term member here for $500 too

[jsearles22]

If you think $4500 in profit is VERY CLOSE to doubling a $6000 stake

actually it is 2 hands close in the games I play

I played in a $1500 chopped pot in $1/$2 the other day. You arent impressing anyone. $4500 profit on a 3 month stake is entirely different then $6000 profit, however you want to spin it.

LOL seriously this guy is off his rocker and has been convicted of scamming a long term member here for $500 too

Convicted? LOL!

[limitles]

Are you referring to me trolling? Sounds like I'm not the only one who considers this thread as spamming. Spamming = (A) I'm not interested in it and (B) it keeps popping up every time I look at this site. It belongs in the Poker Community Forum imo