Nick Shirley / Minnesota Daycare Fraud

[Dan Druff]

The libs have such weird messaging on this.

On one side of their mouth, they make excuses for the businesses depicted in Shirley's video, claim the entire thing is racist, and state that this is all right wing manipulation to distract from Trump's failures and Epstein.

However, on the other side of their mouth, they admit there's fraud (yet they won't say who or where), and claim to be working to stop it.

Oh, and Tim Walz dropped out of the race over this matter.



Sooooooooo........ which one is it?

Did Nick Shirley expose a real and ongoing problem, or is it all fake?

It has to be one of these two. Maybe one of the PFA libs can clarify. BTW, attacking Nick Shirley isn't the repsonse I'm looking for here. Nick Shirley can be a retard, an asshole, a racist, and a grifter, and it's still very possible he exposed something real. And he probably did, correct?

[CryptoNinja]

Weird? Did you say weird?

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[CryptoNinja]

The libs have such weird messaging on this.

On one side of their mouth, they make excuses for the businesses depicted in Shirley's video, claim the entire thing is racist, and state that this is all right wing manipulation to distract from Trump's failures and Epstein.

However, on the other side of their mouth, they admit there's fraud (yet they won't say who or where), and claim to be working to stop it.

Oh, and Tim Walz dropped out of the race over this matter.



Sooooooooo........ which one is it?

Did Nick Shirley expose a real and ongoing problem, or is it all fake?

It has to be one of these two. Maybe one of the PFA libs can clarify. BTW, attacking Nick Shirley isn't the repsonse I'm looking for here. Nick Shirley can be a retard, an asshole, a racist, and a grifter, and it's still very possible he exposed something real. And he probably did, correct?

The fraud is real and the prosecution of said fraud started when Biden was president. That’s the fraud people are admitting happened. As far as I know nothing Nick has “uncovered” has led to any new prosecutions or DAs saying they intend to file charges. I don’t think any of us libtards are conceding that, nor are we conceding Walz had anything to do with it.

https://www.irs.gov/compliance/crimi...e-fraud-scheme

[CryptoNinja]

Womp, womp.

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[Dan Druff]

The libs have such weird messaging on this.

On one side of their mouth, they make excuses for the businesses depicted in Shirley's video, claim the entire thing is racist, and state that this is all right wing manipulation to distract from Trump's failures and Epstein.

However, on the other side of their mouth, they admit there's fraud (yet they won't say who or where), and claim to be working to stop it.

Oh, and Tim Walz dropped out of the race over this matter.



Sooooooooo........ which one is it?

Did Nick Shirley expose a real and ongoing problem, or is it all fake?

It has to be one of these two. Maybe one of the PFA libs can clarify. BTW, attacking Nick Shirley isn't the repsonse I'm looking for here. Nick Shirley can be a retard, an asshole, a racist, and a grifter, and it's still very possible he exposed something real. And he probably did, correct?

The fraud is real and the prosecution of said fraud started when Biden was president. That’s the fraud people are admitting happened. As far as I know nothing Nick has “uncovered” has led to any new prosecutions or DAs saying they intend to file charges. I don’t think any of us libtards are conceding that, nor are we conceding Walz had anything to do with it.

https://www.irs.gov/compliance/crimi...e-fraud-scheme

Do you really think that's it?

Fraud was reported, Biden's DOJ prosecuted it, and now it's all good in Minnesota?

Because that's not the way it happened at all.

Even Democrats in Minnesota admit that the one successfully prosecuted big Somalian fraud case -- Feeding Our Families -- took way too long to get there. It was a yearslong, embarrassing saga where inaction and incompetence caused a lengthy delay in finally stopping the funding and making arrests.

And since then, it appears Minnesota Democrats washed their hands of the entire matter, closing their eyes and hoping that was a one-off.

Why?

For exactly the reason you're seeing right now. The left finds it "racist" to assume Somalians are committing mass fraud (even though they are), so it was easier to look the other way, and to do half-hearted "investigations" which would ultimately find nothing because they were poorly executed.

So, again, which one is it?

Do you believe there is still massive Somalian-perpetrated fraud in Minnesota, or did that one prosecution of 82 people pretty much take care of the entire problem?

And if this is all made up by a 23-year-old internet attention whore, why is the governor dropping out of the race?

[BCR]

The fraud is real and the prosecution of said fraud started when Biden was president. That’s the fraud people are admitting happened. As far as I know nothing Nick has “uncovered” has led to any new prosecutions or DAs saying they intend to file charges. I don’t think any of us libtards are conceding that, nor are we conceding Walz had anything to do with it.

https://www.irs.gov/compliance/crimi...e-fraud-scheme

Do you really think that's it?

Fraud was reported, Biden's DOJ prosecuted it, and now it's all good in Minnesota?

Because that's not the way it happened at all.

Even Democrats in Minnesota admit that the one successfully prosecuted big Somalian fraud case -- Feeding Our Families -- took way too long to get there. It was a yearslong, embarrassing saga where inaction and incompetence caused a lengthy delay in finally stopping the funding and making arrests.

And since then, it appears Minnesota Democrats washed their hands of the entire matter, closing their eyes and hoping that was a one-off.

Why?

For exactly the reason you're seeing right now. The left finds it "racist" to assume Somalians are committing mass fraud (even though they are), so it was easier to look the other way, and to do half-hearted "investigations" which would ultimately find nothing because they were poorly executed.

So, again, which one is it?

Do you believe there is still massive Somalian-perpetrated fraud in Minnesota, or did that one prosecution of 82 people pretty much take care of the entire problem?

And if this is all made up by a 23-year-old internet attention whore, why is the governor dropping out of the race?

Of course there is fraud. I said that on day one. The scope of it and how much remains to be seen. I assume Walz profited or knows he is done politically because of the story.

The uneducated and borderline retarded attention whore Nick was fed a story. That this wasn’t organic was the only obvious thing and making him some celebrity journalist was laughable. If you show me a large immigrant community I’ll find you a shitload of fraud. This is an open secret that people only explore when they need to change the narrative unfortunately. Like I would guarantee if I went to every inner city Arab grocers where I live, 90% are committing food stamp fraud. This sits there for decades waiting for prosecution or until someone needs to make a point.

Where is your Trump needs to quit pardoning these Jewish fraudsters thread? A few of them stole literally half of what the entire Somali community is accused of stealing and Trump not only set them free, the judgements were set aside screwing victims. Is there a why do Jews disproportionately run the largest frauds in the US thread by you? How is 1% of the population behind over half the frauds over a billion? How Trump needs to crack down? I don’t recall seeing that thread.

If you’re a Trump supporter, you have surrendered the high ground forever. He is the most blatant corrupt bribing in the open President ever.

If the Somali community were a banker they’d have already donated a big check and be pardoned by now.

[Dan Druff]

Do you really think that's it?

Fraud was reported, Biden's DOJ prosecuted it, and now it's all good in Minnesota?

Because that's not the way it happened at all.

Even Democrats in Minnesota admit that the one successfully prosecuted big Somalian fraud case -- Feeding Our Families -- took way too long to get there. It was a yearslong, embarrassing saga where inaction and incompetence caused a lengthy delay in finally stopping the funding and making arrests.

And since then, it appears Minnesota Democrats washed their hands of the entire matter, closing their eyes and hoping that was a one-off.

Why?

For exactly the reason you're seeing right now. The left finds it "racist" to assume Somalians are committing mass fraud (even though they are), so it was easier to look the other way, and to do half-hearted "investigations" which would ultimately find nothing because they were poorly executed.

So, again, which one is it?

Do you believe there is still massive Somalian-perpetrated fraud in Minnesota, or did that one prosecution of 82 people pretty much take care of the entire problem?

And if this is all made up by a 23-year-old internet attention whore, why is the governor dropping out of the race?

Of course there is fraud. I said that on day one. The scope of it and how much remains to be seen. I assume Walz profited or knows he is done politically because of the story.

The uneducated and borderline retarded attention whore Nick was fed a story. That this wasn’t organic was the only obvious thing and making him some celebrity journalist was laughable. If you show me a large immigrant community I’ll find you a shitload of fraud. This is an open secret that people only explore when they need to change the narrative unfortunately. Like I would guarantee if I went to every inner city Arab grocers where I live, 90% are committing food stamp fraud. This sits there for decades waiting for prosecution or until someone needs to make a point.

Where is your Trump needs to quit pardoning these Jewish fraudsters thread? A few of them stole literally half of what the entire Somali community is accused of stealing and Trump not only set them free, the judgements were set aside screwing victims. Is there a why do Jews disproportionately run the largest frauds in the US thread by you? How is 1% of the population behind over half the frauds over a billion? How Trump needs to crack down? I don’t recall seeing that thread.

If you’re a Trump supporter, you have surrendered the high ground forever. He is the most blatant corrupt bribing in the open President ever.

If the Somali community were a banker they’d have already donated a big check and be pardoned by now.

You're taking your eye off the ball here. If you want to talk about Trump's pardons and Jewish fraudsters, we can do that, too.

But that isn't really a response regarding why the left is trying so hard to run interference on this Somali fraud thing.

Shouldn't they also want to aggressively investigate it? And by "investigate", I don't mean softball investigations like we've been seeing from both the mainstream media and the state of Minnesota. If there's a lot of fraud occurring, there should be a lot of investigation into it, and they should be honest about what they find.

Instead, it seems more important for the left to prove that the Somali people are mostly wholesome and good, and that saying otherwise is racist. "A few bad apples in every crop" sort of bullshit.

[Dan Druff]

Now if you want to talk about Jews and fraud, it's not fair to compare their percentage of the population, because Jews disproportionately own and manage businesses. So to accurately assess if Jews are really prone to fraud, you'd have to look at the percentage of Jewish businessmen who are fraudsters compared to the percentage of non-Jewish businessmen who are fraudsters.

There's another factor there, in that a lot of the Jewish fraudsters are Israeli immigrants. Israel has a "hustler" type of culture. You're taught at a young age there that the most shameful thing is to be a mark. This bleeds over into business dealings, where everyone's trying to out-angleshoot the other. This also creates a weird sort of checks and balances system to where nobody implicitly trusts one another in a business setting, so everyone is on guard, and relatively little fraud ends up occurring.

However, in the US, some unscrupulous Israeli businessmen realize that it's a different culture in the US, and it's a lot easier to get shit by people because they're more trusting. And the unscrupulous ones jump on it and get whatever they can until they're caught.

The Arab cultures have this mentality, as well, by the way. It's one of the few things Israelis and Arabs have in common, probably hailing back to the days long ago when that region was driven by marketplace haggling.

If you were to compare US-born Jewish businessmen to non-Jewish US businessmen, I bet you'd find similar rates of fraud.

[BCR]

Of course there is fraud. I said that on day one. The scope of it and how much remains to be seen. I assume Walz profited or knows he is done politically because of the story.

The uneducated and borderline retarded attention whore Nick was fed a story. That this wasn’t organic was the only obvious thing and making him some celebrity journalist was laughable. If you show me a large immigrant community I’ll find you a shitload of fraud. This is an open secret that people only explore when they need to change the narrative unfortunately. Like I would guarantee if I went to every inner city Arab grocers where I live, 90% are committing food stamp fraud. This sits there for decades waiting for prosecution or until someone needs to make a point.

Where is your Trump needs to quit pardoning these Jewish fraudsters thread? A few of them stole literally half of what the entire Somali community is accused of stealing and Trump not only set them free, the judgements were set aside screwing victims. Is there a why do Jews disproportionately run the largest frauds in the US thread by you? How is 1% of the population behind over half the frauds over a billion? How Trump needs to crack down? I don’t recall seeing that thread.

If you’re a Trump supporter, you have surrendered the high ground forever. He is the most blatant corrupt bribing in the open President ever.

If the Somali community were a banker they’d have already donated a big check and be pardoned by now.

You're taking your eye off the ball here. If you want to talk about Trump's pardons and Jewish fraudsters, we can do that, too.

But that isn't really a response regarding why the left is trying so hard to run interference on this Somali fraud thing.

Shouldn't they also want to aggressively investigate it? And by "investigate", I don't mean softball investigations like we've been seeing from both the mainstream media and the state of Minnesota. If there's a lot of fraud occurring, there should be a lot of investigation into it, and they should be honest about what they find.

Instead, it seems more important for the left to prove that the Somali people are mostly wholesome and good, and that saying otherwise is racist. "A few bad apples in every crop" sort of bullshit.

It’s not eye off the ball. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Trump had the worst press ever and the Epstein files is all anyone would talk about.

This kid comes back from his super normal Mormon Israel trip and pops up in Minnesota. Then the ICE circus follows. It’s the first thing that worked for them in a year to change the subject temporarily.

The kid starts doing interviews and he’s not just young, he’s basically retarded. He’s a useful idiot.

As I said scoop them up and send them to the corner of Africa. I can’t figure out why any law enforcement wants to spends years building a case and then prosecuting it when Trump has basically legalized fraud.

The lesson is don’t steal a couple million. Steal a couple billion and write him a check. For any Republican who still supports this criminal to talk fraud is laughable.

[Kalam]

Do you really think that's it?

Fraud was reported, Biden's DOJ prosecuted it, and now it's all good in Minnesota?

Because that's not the way it happened at all.

Even Democrats in Minnesota admit that the one successfully prosecuted big Somalian fraud case -- Feeding Our Families -- took way too long to get there. It was a yearslong, embarrassing saga where inaction and incompetence caused a lengthy delay in finally stopping the funding and making arrests.

And since then, it appears Minnesota Democrats washed their hands of the entire matter, closing their eyes and hoping that was a one-off.

Why?

For exactly the reason you're seeing right now. The left finds it "racist" to assume Somalians are committing mass fraud (even though they are), so it was easier to look the other way, and to do half-hearted "investigations" which would ultimately find nothing because they were poorly executed.

So, again, which one is it?

Do you believe there is still massive Somalian-perpetrated fraud in Minnesota, or did that one prosecution of 82 people pretty much take care of the entire problem?

And if this is all made up by a 23-year-old internet attention whore, why is the governor dropping out of the race?

Of course there is fraud. I said that on day one. The scope of it and how much remains to be seen. I assume Walz profited or knows he is done politically because of the story.

The uneducated and borderline retarded attention whore Nick was fed a story. That this wasn’t organic was the only obvious thing and making him some celebrity journalist was laughable. If you show me a large immigrant community I’ll find you a shitload of fraud. This is an open secret that people only explore when they need to change the narrative unfortunately. Like I would guarantee if I went to every inner city Arab grocers where I live, 90% are committing food stamp fraud. This sits there for decades waiting for prosecution or until someone needs to make a point.

Where is your Trump needs to quit pardoning these Jewish fraudsters thread? A few of them stole literally half of what the entire Somali community is accused of stealing and Trump not only set them free, the judgements were set aside screwing victims. Is there a why do Jews disproportionately run the largest frauds in the US thread by you? How is 1% of the population behind over half the frauds over a billion? How Trump needs to crack down? I don’t recall seeing that thread.

If you’re a Trump supporter, you have surrendered the high ground forever. He is the most blatant corrupt bribing in the open President ever.

If the Somali community were a banker they’d have already donated a big check and be pardoned by now.

Other politicians like Omar, Ellison, and even Frey clearly benefitted financially. The wildest thing about Walz is that it really seems he let this all happen on his watch and took none of it for himself. He really does seem to be a true believer in progressivism and third wordlism, and that was enough for him.

[Kalam]

BCR becoming a born again Groyper and making everything a referendum on Jews and Epstein is kind of weird.

On a related note all the anti Israel/Jewish content that was inundating my social media feeds the last 2 years has really abated in the last couple months. Others have noted the same thing.

It is speculated that China was behind a lot of it, and has done a strategic pivot. I think we really underestimate how much foreign actors manipulate our social media feeds to drive what is and isn't news. I suspect this is a large part of the reason Europe is trying to clamp down.

[CryptoNinja]

Now if you want to talk about Jews and fraud, it's not fair to compare their percentage of the population, because Jews disproportionately own and manage businesses. So to accurately assess if Jews are really prone to fraud, you'd have to look at the percentage of Jewish businessmen who are fraudsters compared to the percentage of non-Jewish businessmen who are fraudsters.

There's another factor there, in that a lot of the Jewish fraudsters are Israeli immigrants. Israel has a "hustler" type of culture. You're taught at a young age there that the most shameful thing is to be a mark. This bleeds over into business dealings, where everyone's trying to out-angleshoot the other. This also creates a weird sort of checks and balances system to where nobody implicitly trusts one another in a business setting, so everyone is on guard, and relatively little fraud ends up occurring.

However, in the US, some unscrupulous Israeli businessmen realize that it's a different culture in the US, and it's a lot easier to get shit by people because they're more trusting. And the unscrupulous ones jump on it and get whatever they can until they're caught.

The Arab cultures have this mentality, as well, by the way. It's one of the few things Israelis and Arabs have in common, probably hailing back to the days long ago when that region was driven by marketplace haggling.

If you were to compare US-born Jewish businessmen to non-Jewish US businessmen, I bet you'd find similar rates of fraud.

If what you are saying is true here, and I’ve met and done business with Israelis (and I was lied to and conned), when your average American, particularly American Christians who are raised to be honest and fair, encounter Israeli’s they are very likely to get “hustled” because they are not aware that is culturally acceptable in Israel. Also, BCR’s point is not that he wants to talk about fraud by Jews but that you are a hypocrite, Todd and it’s not surprising you want to deflect the conversation away from that.

ETA: Remember how I wanted to post my Celsius referral link here and you said no? That was a good idea because people would have gotten ripped off. Shoulda know. Never trust an Israeli.

[Kalam]

Now if you want to talk about Jews and fraud, it's not fair to compare their percentage of the population, because Jews disproportionately own and manage businesses. So to accurately assess if Jews are really prone to fraud, you'd have to look at the percentage of Jewish businessmen who are fraudsters compared to the percentage of non-Jewish businessmen who are fraudsters.

There's another factor there, in that a lot of the Jewish fraudsters are Israeli immigrants. Israel has a "hustler" type of culture. You're taught at a young age there that the most shameful thing is to be a mark. This bleeds over into business dealings, where everyone's trying to out-angleshoot the other. This also creates a weird sort of checks and balances system to where nobody implicitly trusts one another in a business setting, so everyone is on guard, and relatively little fraud ends up occurring.

However, in the US, some unscrupulous Israeli businessmen realize that it's a different culture in the US, and it's a lot easier to get shit by people because they're more trusting. And the unscrupulous ones jump on it and get whatever they can until they're caught.

The Arab cultures have this mentality, as well, by the way. It's one of the few things Israelis and Arabs have in common, probably hailing back to the days long ago when that region was driven by marketplace haggling.

If you were to compare US-born Jewish businessmen to non-Jewish US businessmen, I bet you'd find similar rates of fraud.

If what you are saying is true here, and I’ve met and done business with Israelis (and I was lied to and conned), when your average American, particularly American Christians who are raised to be honest and fair, encounter Israeli’s they are very likely to get “hustled” because they are not aware that is culturally acceptable in Israel. Also, BCR’s point is not that he wants to talk about fraud by Jews but that you are a hypocrite, Todd and it’s not surprising you want to deflect the conversation away from that.

ETA: Remember how I wanted to post my Celsius referral link here and you said no? That was a good idea because people would have gotten ripped off. Shoulda know. Never trust an Israeli.

In fairness Druff isn't a hypocrite per se. He is a partisan Republican who consistently downplays bad behavior by the Republican Party and overplays that of Democrats.

The Somali fraud rings are extremely interconnected with the Democrat Party, so Druff focusing on this is extremely consistent.

I can also confirm that when you go into a business deal with someone you dont know, you hear that Israeli accent, and your first thought is "Oh Fuck, here it goes," because you know some shady stuff is likely to happen. This of course isn't always the case, but often enough.

Years and years ago we rented an apartment from an Israeli company. And when we left they attempted to charge us for all this work they supposedly had to do because we damaged the place*. Except we know they didn't do any of the work, as the next tenant literally moved in the day we moved out. In fact my wife actually became friendly with the new tenant as she was there moving in while we were moving out. So the lady actually let us come in a few days later and take pictures to document no work was done. And we sued them in small claims court and won (all I asked for was the security deposit back, as they attempted to keep it and were asking for a bunch more $$ on top. Ironically, if they had just decided to keep the deposit I wouldn't have bothered and would have just walked away, but by being greedy and asking more more money on top I decided to fight it)

*There was some damage to the place, some of which was there when we moved in and some of which we legitimately caused; but the point is they pretended they did work to fix the damage they didn't actually do

[Kalam]

Also, lets be honest. The Minneapolis-Somali-Dem Party fraud ring is some pretty low hanging fruit. No reason not to pick it off, even if there are bigger players elsewhere. And it isn't like the fraud is nothing, it is at least high 10 digits, probably 11 digits.

They dont even bother to have legitimate businesses and overcharge, like most of the fraud in other places, which is much harder to prosecute against. There is literally no business at all most of the time. Just a lot of fake addresses and empty storefronts.