Washington DC - First openly retarded elected president exposed as pedo by newly released Epstein emails

[Kalam]

This lack of transparency and trust is what kills democracy but you will hear little concern about such things especially from the younger set.

You think govt should be transparent about intelligence operations? That sounds fucking horrible to me.

You really think there is elite global pedophile blackmail rings running the western world? Like I said, expect to be disappointed, and forced to double and triple down it is all a cover up.

[Sanlmar]

This lack of transparency and trust is what kills democracy but you will hear little concern about such things especially from the younger set.

You think govt should be transparent about intelligence operations? That sounds fucking horrible to me.

I think they should be responsive, yes. They answer to the public not the other way around. I’ll happily trade whatever national security you think you are being provided by “intelligence” for responsiveness. This is the only check and balance there is.

You’re a Bush disciple and I am not. We are going to have this fundamental disagreement. You will enjoy our authoritarian future more than I.

[sonatine]

You think govt should be transparent about intelligence operations? That sounds fucking horrible to me.

I think they should be responsive, yes. They answer to the public not the other way around. I’ll happily trade whatever national security you think you are being provided by “intelligence” for responsiveness. This is the only check and balance there is.

You’re a Bush disciple and I am not. We are going to have this fundamental disagreement. You will enjoy our authoritarian future more than I.

ill ask you the question that galvanized my views on the subject a long time ago;


what happens to us if we are transparent on intelligence while china and russia are not?

the french government used to bug phones and fax lines in all its hotels in the 80s so they could enable french businesses to undercut competitive bids. thats the world we inhabit, those are the rules. how does transparency impact us in the game? how do we play our hand face up at a table where all the other hands are face down?

[Sanlmar]

I think they should be responsive, yes. They answer to the public not the other way around. I’ll happily trade whatever national security you think you are being provided by “intelligence” for responsiveness. This is the only check and balance there is.

You’re a Bush disciple and I am not. We are going to have this fundamental disagreement. You will enjoy our authoritarian future more than I.

ill ask you the question that galvanized my views on the subject a long time ago;


what happens to us if we are transparent on intelligence while china and russia are not?

the french government used to bug phones and fax lines in all its hotels in the 80s so they could enable french businesses to undercut competitive bids. thats the world we inhabit, those are the rules. how does transparency impact us in the game? how do we play our hand face up at a table where all the other hands are face down?

When congress unanimously votes to look into a phone tapping issue (on my behalf) I do expect a response and some manner of transparency.

Ignoring the will of the people is another way to go. We can decide to go that route

I do think that ship has sailed. EoT and all that. Thiel, Yarvin gave voice or inspired the tech elite that embrace the authoritarian model. We won’t have this transparency debate in the near future

[Kalam]

and I expect a similar concession.

Deal. When the global elite pedophile ring is exposed and cleared out, and the Mamdani's, AOCs, MTGs and Candace Owens of the world clear out all the WASP, high IQ, Ivy League elites and take the reigns of power and usher in a new American golden age, I will come here and acknowledge you were right all along.

[sonatine]

ill ask you the question that galvanized my views on the subject a long time ago;


what happens to us if we are transparent on intelligence while china and russia are not?

the french government used to bug phones and fax lines in all its hotels in the 80s so they could enable french businesses to undercut competitive bids. thats the world we inhabit, those are the rules. how does transparency impact us in the game? how do we play our hand face up at a table where all the other hands are face down?

When congress unanimously votes to look into a phone tapping issue (on my behalf) I do expect a response and some manner of transparency.

Ignoring the will of the people is another way to go. We can decide to go that route

i dont feel like you answered my question tho. what happens to the republic when the people who want us swept off the board operate without public oversight but we insist on it for moral reasons, essentially clipping the wings of the parties we employ to protect us and secure our interests?

[Sanlmar]

When congress unanimously votes to look into a phone tapping issue (on my behalf) I do expect a response and some manner of transparency.

Ignoring the will of the people is another way to go. We can decide to go that route

i dont feel like you answered my question tho. what happens to the republic when the people who want us swept off the board operate without public oversight but we insist on it for moral reasons, essentially clipping the wings of the parties we employ to protect us and secure our interests?

Build better drones

When Iran Contra type shenanigans come to light we gonna shine the light.

[Kalam]

ill ask you the question that galvanized my views on the subject a long time ago;


what happens to us if we are transparent on intelligence while china and russia are not?

the french government used to bug phones and fax lines in all its hotels in the 80s so they could enable french businesses to undercut competitive bids. thats the world we inhabit, those are the rules. how does transparency impact us in the game? how do we play our hand face up at a table where all the other hands are face down?

When congress unanimously votes to look into a phone tapping issue (on my behalf) I do expect a response and some manner of transparency.

Ignoring the will of the people is another way to go. We can decide to go that route

I do think that ship has sailed. EoT and all that. Thiel, Yarvin gave voice or inspired the tech elite that embrace the authoritarian model. We won’t have this transparency debate in the near future

Most American voters, and increasingly their representatives, are women and/or foreigners who hate America. And even those that aren't are easily manipulated by social media bad actors. Jews are the least of your problems.

I think given technological and demographic shifts, western liberal democracies are going to have to come to terms with the reality we are going to find that "democracy" is going to increasingly give us horrible outcomes, and have us chasing stupid peasant brain conspiracies and negative EV outcomes manipulated by outside actors.

[sonatine]

i dont feel like you answered my question tho. what happens to the republic when the people who want us swept off the board operate without public oversight but we insist on it for moral reasons, essentially clipping the wings of the parties we employ to protect us and secure our interests?

Build better drones

When Iran Contra type shenanigans come to light we gonna shine the light.

you know what fine, argue with kalam, see if that goes well.

[Sanlmar]

and I expect a similar concession.

Deal. When the global elite pedophile ring is exposed and cleared out, and the Mamdani's, AOCs, MTGs and Candace Owens of the world clear out all the WASP, high IQ, Ivy League elites and take the reigns of power and usher in a new American golden age, I will come here and acknowledge you were right all along.

When Druff envisions the pedophilia ring he envisions hedonistic sexual bacchanalia.

The pedophile ring for others describes those in the Epstein orbit for 25 years. The richest and most powerful of our times. The birthday book shocked me in its reach. Academia, for instance, surprised me.

Wexner and AI just floors me presently.

[Tellafriend]

i dont feel like you answered my question tho. what happens to the republic when the people who want us swept off the board operate without public oversight but we insist on it for moral reasons, essentially clipping the wings of the parties we employ to protect us and secure our interests?

Build better drones

lol, right.


and i will wade in, if keeping up requires us to encourage or even harbor the rich/well connected who want to fuck children, then i will take our new seat at the children's table in the world's pecking order.

similar arguments were used as a reason to get rid of jews. next will be obese, then maybe those w/o blue eyes, we can keep going.

north korea likes your thinking tho.


you will enjoy them watching your every keystroke, text, etc all in the name of protecting the homeland. sounds familiar.

but but something about tucker carlson is apparently the real lynchpin in all this upheaval.


i give up.

this won't be my problem.




and the stooge is right about lol democracy, it is failing and will exponentially worsen. we need to rescind all voting rights of those who don't meaningful contribute; and the jews.

[sonatine]

Build better drones

lol, right.


and i will wade in, if keeping up requires us to encourage or even harbor the rich/well connected who want to fuck children, then i will take our new seat at the children's table in the world's pecking order.

similar arguments were used as a reason to get rid of jews. next will be obese, then maybe those w/o blue eyes, we can keep going.

north korea likes your thinking tho.


you will enjoy them watching your every keystroke, text, etc all in the name of protecting the homeland. sounds familiar.

but but something about tucker carlson is apparently the real lynchpin in all this upheaval.


i give up.

this won't be my problem.




and the stooge is right about lol democracy, it is failing and will exponentially worsen. we need to rescind all voting rights of those who don't meaningful contribute; and the jews.

im not sure how my point got wound up with epstein/mossad but thats not valid intelligence work. youre talking about team kalam there, im referring to spook stuff.

[Kalam]

Build better drones

lol, right.

and i will wade in, if keeping up requires us to encourage or even harbor the rich/well connected who want to fuck children, then i will take our new seat at the children's table in the world's pecking order.

similar arguments were used as a reason to get rid of jews. next will be obese, then maybe those w/o blue eyes, we can keep going.

north korea likes your thinking tho.

you will enjoy them watching your every keystroke, text, etc all in the name of protecting the homeland. sounds familiar.

but but something about tucker carlson is apparently the real lynchpin in all this upheaval.

i give up.

this won't be my problem.

and the stooge is right about lol democracy, it is failing and will exponentially worsen. we need to rescind all voting rights of those who don't meaningful contribute; and the jews.

Who do you envision are your compatriots on this issue? The people who dont meaningful contribute are your spiritual brothers/sisters. No one that meaningful continues to society is pushing global elite pedophile ring conspiracies.

And if in your moral panic indignant moral outrage you want us to drive ourselves off a cliff because we are chasing conspiracy theories pushed by Pakistani and Chinese bot farms; then looks like you are getting your wish.

[Tellafriend]

lol, right.

and i will wade in, if keeping up requires us to encourage or even harbor the rich/well connected who want to fuck children, then i will take our new seat at the children's table in the world's pecking order.

similar arguments were used as a reason to get rid of jews. next will be obese, then maybe those w/o blue eyes, we can keep going.

north korea likes your thinking tho.

you will enjoy them watching your every keystroke, text, etc all in the name of protecting the homeland. sounds familiar.

but but something about tucker carlson is apparently the real lynchpin in all this upheaval.

i give up.

this won't be my problem.

and the stooge is right about lol democracy, it is failing and will exponentially worsen. we need to rescind all voting rights of those who don't meaningful contribute; and the jews.

Who do you envision are your compatriots on this issue? The people who dont meaningful contribute are your spiritual brothers/sisters. No one that meaningful continues to society is pushing global elite pedophile ring conspiracies.

And if in your moral panic indignant moral outrage you want us to drive ourselves off a cliff because we are chasing conspiracy theories pushed by Pakistani and Chinese bot farms; then looks like you are getting your wish.

you are not the sage you envision.

[BCR]

Fucking kalam of all people calling people peasant brained.

A jew who pretended to be a financial guru, but had one investor in total, buys an island where presidents,the worlds richest men, prime minsters, and British Royals certainly fucked kids, and somehow it’s a conspiracy theory. No Verm, that’s just a conspiracy. If those people aren’t the global elite, then who is?

[Tellafriend]

trump's in a pickle. this should be entertaining. 5d chess now y'all.

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[Tellafriend]

recall, this is EXACTLY what i said they would use to NOT release what matters. I called this roughly 2 months ago as I was paying attention to the verbiage they were using then.

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well, well, well.

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[Sanlmar]

When congress unanimously votes to look into a phone tapping issue (on my behalf) I do expect a response and some manner of transparency.

Ignoring the will of the people is another way to go. We can decide to go that route

I do think that ship has sailed. EoT and all that. Thiel, Yarvin gave voice or inspired the tech elite that embrace the authoritarian model. We won’t have this transparency debate in the near future

Most American voters, and increasingly their representatives, are women and/or foreigners who hate America. And even those that aren't are easily manipulated by social media bad actors. Jews are the least of your problems.

I think given technological and demographic shifts, western liberal democracies are going to have to come to terms with the reality we are going to find that "democracy" is going to increasingly give us horrible outcomes, and have us chasing stupid peasant brain conspiracies and negative EV outcomes manipulated by outside actors.

I have enjoyed the banter. It’s valuable to hear another point of view. I believe you to be sincere to this point.

When addressing me do not pull “the Jews are the least of your problems” card. I live in an area that has a high density of Jews. I love where I live. My neighbors, friends, customers and I must say the occasional relative are Jewish. There are nearby towns that are famed for the wealthy Jewish population.

It may not be fashionable these days but it’s who I am.

You have never heard me disparage the Jewish American population here. Do I laugh at some of the tropes? Sure. I have quite a different view of the Israeli government on the other hand. I went from near apathy to something close to loathing. Similarly, I would not want someone in France to judge me by our leadership.

Let’s set the record straight. I am the least socially online guy you will have any contact with in your life. I’ve never seen a Facebook page and that has required great discipline. I don’t have a tiktok app. I do not presently surf Twitter. Spare me the Pakastani bot influence bullshit.

I skew socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think of myself as a libertarian. (I also think I’m still 37). None of this will matter soon. I agree almost uniformly with your last paragraph

[sonatine]

[sonatine]

this is the exact opposite of the responsible implementation of secrecy:

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