Washington DC - First openly retarded elected president exposed as pedo by newly released Epstein emails

[mickeycrimm]

Note the Dems REDACTED the name in the story which was Virginia Giuffre. The same Virginia who denied Trump was ever involved in anything inappropriate.

I wonder why the Dems left her name out? Of course we all know why.

Because retards like the human garbage Sonatine would get excited in only a way he does with thinking about boys.

Bottom line is there is a far better chance Sonatine is a Pedo than Trump.

But we all knew that, didn’t we?

Note the redaction of Giuffre's name was made not by DOJ, not by a court, but by the democrats because they knew Giuffre had absolved Trump in her book. I don't know how they thought they could get away with it.

I hope congress releases everything they can in the Epstein Files but there is a big problem. Alan Dershowitz pointed it out yesterday in a debate on Piers Morgan. There are 3 federal judges that have transcipts of depositions under seal. And that's where all the names are. By law the President can't unseal those documents, Congress cannot unseal those documents. Only those 3 judges can do it.

Dershowitz, saying he has copies of those documents in his possession because he was Epstein's lawyer, publicly asked the judges to unseal the documents. If those judges don't unseal them then this bullshit will go on forever.

[Kalam]

that's it? seriously?

that's why you think he has sunk his reputation and support of so many? that's why he's put all this effort, lied openly about the reasons why he's not releasing them, many times, had his staff lie, had the fbi spend thousands of hours scouring the files to remove reference to him, etc.?

come on dd, you are far smarter and more intuitive than that.

Anyone smart and intuitive will look at what those emails from Epstein DON'T say, and you can infer from there.

If Epstein felt he really had something on Trump beyond "he knew about it", he'd have said so in those emails. He didn't. Instead he focused on utilizing the fact that Trump knew in order to get favors later.

The rule about blackmail and implied blackmail is that you always use your strongest stuff. If you helped me murder someone and bury the body, my leverage on you is NOT "He knew I killed someone and said nothing".


Note that Trump originally promised to release the Epstein files. He wouldn't have done this if he knew he'd go back on it, because he knew that would backfire. At the time, I think he figured he'd be a hero for releasing them, even if he took a little bit of a hit for knowing about Epstein's crimes and staying quiet. He then probably had fellow Republicans come to him who claimed they'd be loyal to him if he did NOT release the files, and that was too good of an offer to refuse. At the same time, he probably realized that he might not escape it as unscathed as he first thought. How does he explain to the American people that he stayed friends with a pedo and underage girl trafficker, despite being fully aware of what was going on?

In the end, it was safer for him just to push away the Epstein matter, even though it angered some of his base.

They didn't stay friends. They became enemies over a business deal and hadn't talked in 15 years, which is why Trump was never on the Lolita Express or visited the island, as they had become estranged before that.

I tend to think the whole Epstein thing was way overblown, as Patel said. There was no pedophile blackmail ring. It was just a guy who was into prostitutes, and grooming troubled young women into prostitutes. And he liked them young, and sometimes may have crossed below the 18 year old barrier. And may have even loaned out a few to his friends in high places.

But the 'friends in high places' includes some names Trump doesn't want to release (for his own reasons) so he is choosing not to.

And there isn't much more than that.

That being said, there is enough smoke there is probably fire that he was the kind of connected person who could get things done that intelligence agencies (including buy not limited to CIA, MI5 and Mossad) went to when they couldn't go through public channels. And it is very possible he had "help" with his suicide from someone in that world.

[mickeycrimm]

sonatine, i see you are writing another chapter here in your book of pedophillic fantasies. You should have quite a few chapters written by now. Your fascination with kids is glaringly apparent just in this thread alone. It looks like telly is really getting off on your writings.

[Kalam]

sonatine, i see you are writing another chapter here in your book of pedophillic fantasies. You should have quite a few chapters written by now. Your fascination with kids is glaringly apparent just in this thread alone. It looks like telly is really getting off on your writings.

Sonatine is really a low human value peasant at heart. Peasant minded people tend to believe in lots of supernatural things, like grand conspiracies and the occult. That is why antisemitism and its assorted conspiracies is catnip to peasants, regardless of their ideological bent.

[Jayjami]

To quote the great George Orwell: "Republican pedos good, Democratic pedos bad."

[mickeycrimm]

To quote the great George Orwell: "Republican pedos good, Democratic pedos bad."

Please, name the pedos, both dem and repub, instead of making veiled accusations. Be a man. Put yourself on record.

[Jayjami]

To quote the great George Orwell: "Republican pedos good, Democratic pedos bad."

Please, name the pedos, both dem and repub, instead of making veiled accusations. Be a man. Put yourself on record.

You'd be fucking little boys if you're dick worked, so there's one.

[sonatine]

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[Tellafriend]

the cover up is primarily for the benefit of: Israel and our deep state CIA etc who was leveraging what information they gained on these figures. if the american public found out what israel was doing and how our govt was complicit in allowing it might be the change that is sorely needed. hence, it will never see the light of day and why it hasn't until now, either. neither party is going to let the public know what our greatest ally really does and risk the derision that would follow.


the complicit members of both parties and their rich donors is secondary along with all the times trump is mentioned in them and whatever embarrassment might flow from it.


we are all here to allow 536 people to enrich themselves with power and wealth. everything else, including a sustainable future, is secondary if even a consideration.

i posted this in the Thomas Massie thread. It remains the case.


i have no faith that many if not most of the damning evidence has long since been destroyed.


lastly, let's not forget the republican controlled banking committee refused to allow a vote out of committee to release his banking records. see above for the reasons why.

[sonatine]

oh did someone mention israel? the government epstein was an agent of? that he blackmailed power and wealthy people for? people who are turning america into a pariah state so israel can carry out ethnic cleansing? which we are financing?


no?


ok nm sorry




oh also vance hasn't tweeted in more than 36 hours.

[BCR]

Anyone smart and intuitive will look at what those emails from Epstein DON'T say, and you can infer from there.

If Epstein felt he really had something on Trump beyond "he knew about it", he'd have said so in those emails. He didn't. Instead he focused on utilizing the fact that Trump knew in order to get favors later.

The rule about blackmail and implied blackmail is that you always use your strongest stuff. If you helped me murder someone and bury the body, my leverage on you is NOT "He knew I killed someone and said nothing".


Note that Trump originally promised to release the Epstein files. He wouldn't have done this if he knew he'd go back on it, because he knew that would backfire. At the time, I think he figured he'd be a hero for releasing them, even if he took a little bit of a hit for knowing about Epstein's crimes and staying quiet. He then probably had fellow Republicans come to him who claimed they'd be loyal to him if he did NOT release the files, and that was too good of an offer to refuse. At the same time, he probably realized that he might not escape it as unscathed as he first thought. How does he explain to the American people that he stayed friends with a pedo and underage girl trafficker, despite being fully aware of what was going on?

In the end, it was safer for him just to push away the Epstein matter, even though it angered some of his base.

They didn't stay friends. They became enemies over a business deal and hadn't talked in 15 years, which is why Trump was never on the Lolita Express or visited the island, as they had become estranged before that.

I tend to think the whole Epstein thing was way overblown, as Patel said. There was no pedophile blackmail ring. It was just a guy who was into prostitutes, and grooming troubled young women into prostitutes. And he liked them young, and sometimes may have crossed below the 18 year old barrier. And may have even loaned out a few to his friends in high places.

But the 'friends in high places' includes some names Trump doesn't want to release (for his own reasons) so he is choosing not to.

And there isn't much more than that.

That being said, there is enough smoke there is probably fire that he was the kind of connected person who could get things done that intelligence agencies (including buy not limited to CIA, MI5 and Mossad) went to when they couldn't go through public channels. And it is very possible he had "help" with his suicide from someone in that world.

You like to point out when someone here doesn’t like the Jews that the only other people who share that opinion are low class uneducated white trash.

Guess what, I have seen not a single smart person go down this pedophile apologist route except the same dumbest white people alive, or Jews. Wonder why?

[Tellafriend]

i knew i had read another reason as to why they allegedly stopped being bff.

somehow trump thinks this helps his case. young female spa employees. hmmmm.


AI Overview


Donald Trump has offered two primary explanations for his falling out with Jeffrey Epstein: a dispute over a real estate deal and the claim that Epstein was hiring away young spa employees from Trump's Mar-a-Lago club.

The Dispute Over Employees

In recent statements, Trump has most often cited Epstein "stealing" employees as the reason for the end of their friendship.
Trump's Account: Trump stated he told Epstein to stop hiring his staff, and when Epstein persisted, Trump "threw him out of the place persona non grata". Trump confirmed that the people taken were young women who worked in the spa at Mar-a-Lago, and in one instance, he indicated that Virginia Giuffre was one of them. The White House had also previously stated that Trump banned Epstein from the club "for being a creep".
Virginia Giuffre's Account: Virginia Giuffre, a prominent accuser of Epstein, worked at the Mar-a-Lago spa as a teenager. In her memoir and depositions, she said she met Trump there once, but did not accuse him of wrongdoing or participating in Epstein's abuse. Her family expressed shock at Trump's comments that Epstein "stole" her, noting it was disturbing to hear her used as the reason for a falling out.

The Real Estate Deal

News reports have also detailed a 2004 bidding war over a Palm Beach oceanfront mansion as a likely source of friction. Trump outbid Epstein for the property, a point which some sources suggest caused a major rift, leading to little public interaction between them afterward.

Summary

Both explanations have been cited as reasons for the end of the friendship, and it is possible both factors contributed. Trump's most frequent recent explanation centers on Epstein's recruitment of Mar-a-Lago employees, some of whom were young women later involved in Epstein's sex trafficking ring.

[Tellafriend]

when all else fails, they take you to war - Gerald Celente

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[Sanlmar]

i knew i had read another reason as to why they allegedly stopped being bff.

somehow trump thinks this helps his case. young female spa employees. hmmmm.


AI Overview


Donald Trump has offered two primary explanations for his falling out with Jeffrey Epstein: a dispute over a real estate deal and the claim that Epstein was hiring away young spa employees from Trump's Mar-a-Lago club.

The Dispute Over Employees

In recent statements, Trump has most often cited Epstein "stealing" employees as the reason for the end of their friendship.
Trump's Account: Trump stated he told Epstein to stop hiring his staff, and when Epstein persisted, Trump "threw him out of the place persona non grata". Trump confirmed that the people taken were young women who worked in the spa at Mar-a-Lago, and in one instance, he indicated that Virginia Giuffre was one of them. The White House had also previously stated that Trump banned Epstein from the club "for being a creep".
Virginia Giuffre's Account: Virginia Giuffre, a prominent accuser of Epstein, worked at the Mar-a-Lago spa as a teenager. In her memoir and depositions, she said she met Trump there once, but did not accuse him of wrongdoing or participating in Epstein's abuse. Her family expressed shock at Trump's comments that Epstein "stole" her, noting it was disturbing to hear her used as the reason for a falling out.

The Real Estate Deal

News reports have also detailed a 2004 bidding war over a Palm Beach oceanfront mansion as a likely source of friction. Trump outbid Epstein for the property, a point which some sources suggest caused a major rift, leading to little public interaction between them afterward.

Summary

Both explanations have been cited as reasons for the end of the friendship, and it is possible both factors contributed. Trump's most frequent recent explanation centers on Epstein's recruitment of Mar-a-Lago employees, some of whom were young women later involved in Epstein's sex trafficking ring.

The real estate deal had a money laundering element to it. Personal stakes and reputation were at play. It wasn’t just friction at an open house

It’s been a while since I read about it and I’m busy but have your agent flesh that out for you. You’ll be nodding your head in no time

[Tellafriend]

when did trump say he stopped speaking with epstein?

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[Tellafriend]

my god, how fucked are our institutions and leaders? he was originally convicted of solicitation of prostitution of a minor in 2008.


treasury secretary. president of harvard. on and on....

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[sonatine]

[Tellafriend]

i've seen enough for a while. disgusted.


time to get outside.

[nunbeater]

that's it? seriously?

that's why you think he has sunk his reputation and support of so many? that's why he's put all this effort, lied openly about the reasons why he's not releasing them, many times, had his staff lie, had the fbi spend thousands of hours scouring the files to remove reference to him, etc.?

come on dd, you are far smarter and more intuitive than that.

Anyone smart and intuitive will look at what those emails from Epstein DON'T say, and you can infer from there.

If Epstein felt he really had something on Trump beyond "he knew about it", he'd have said so in those emails. He didn't. Instead he focused on utilizing the fact that Trump knew in order to get favors later.

The rule about blackmail and implied blackmail is that you always use your strongest stuff. If you helped me murder someone and bury the body, my leverage on you is NOT "He knew I killed someone and said nothing".


Note that Trump originally promised to release the Epstein files. He wouldn't have done this if he knew he'd go back on it, because he knew that would backfire. At the time, I think he figured he'd be a hero for releasing them, even if he took a little bit of a hit for knowing about Epstein's crimes and staying quiet. He then probably had fellow Republicans come to him who claimed they'd be loyal to him if he did NOT release the files, and that was too good of an offer to refuse. At the same time, he probably realized that he might not escape it as unscathed as he first thought. How does he explain to the American people that he stayed friends with a pedo and underage girl trafficker, despite being fully aware of what was going on?

In the end, it was safer for him just to push away the Epstein matter, even though it angered some of his base.

[tigerpiper]

Certain posters on my ignore list just started showing up again, but thank the lord, I logged in and can't see them anymore.