Jimmy Kimmel removed from ABC after claiming Kirk shooter was MAGA, following FCC pressure

[mickeycrimm]

It's now being reported that Kimmel was given the opportunity to save his show by making a public apology for the joke but refused. So Iger pulled the plug. Kimmel cost his employee's their jobs because of his pompous arrogance. Even Johnny Carson had to make public apologies for insensitive jokes. And The View probably holds the record for most public apologies by a TV show.

I remember one incident about 40 years ago on the Johnny Carson show. Jerry Lewis was the guest host. In the monologue he said he fulfilled a lifelong dream when flying from coast to cost by taking a dump over Mississippi. Mississippians hit the ceiling over that one. A bunch of pissed off rednecks that said they would ban the show in Mississippi. Lewis faced being banned from the network if he didn't apologize so apologized the next night.

[mickeycrimm]

See, I do believe this was government retaliation, and I don't like that part of it.

It's true that Kimmel's show was likely losing money, so it wasn't a huge loss for ABC to suspend it (and even get rid of it).

However, this was definitely done because the companies involved (ABC and the affiliate-owner Nexstar) were scared of the FCC bringing consequences upon them both presently and down the road. The last thing they wanted was to stir up the hornet's nest with regulators, so it was easier just to bend the knee and suspend Kimmel.

This sets a bad precedent, because we really don't want the government (of either party) directly or indirectly threatening consequences for speech they don't like. That's part of the reason Twitter and Facebook were so censorious of posts regarding COVID or Hunter Biden's laptop. That was awful, and this isn't good either.

ABC definitely has a right to suspend Kimmel if they don't like what he's saying on their platform, and had they done this on their own, I'd have no objection.

Kimmel did blatantly lie. He did knowingly spread misinformation about the Kirk shooter. If ABC simply said, "No, you're not using our platform to do that shit", and suspended him, it would have been 100% justified.

I just don't like how it went down. The suspension happened due to government pressure, and we should never want that.

Bill O’Reilly just reported a network ecec told him about 3 dozen local affiliates revolted and said they would take Kimmel off the air in their areas. So the network caved to them.

[Dan Druff]

It's possible the affiliates were also complaining.

Kimmel has effectively become the Colin Kaepernick of late night TV. Not only is he controversial, but he's also not valuable. His ratings have been steadily declining, and the show is expensive. Affiliates are probably happy to have any excuse to get rid of him, and they probably also feared that this controversy would erode the audience even further.

This should have played out on its own, without Trump or FCC interference. Just shut up, and let the free market do its thing.

Had ABC said that they were removing him due to a combination of low ratings, affiliates revolting, and the fact that he used their platform to spread controversial misinformation, this would have all been fine. There would have still been controversy, but the bottom line is that ABC has the right to decide their own broadcast standards. I wish the government just let it all play out on its own.

[Sanlmar]

This should have played out on its own, without Trump or FCC interference. Just shut up, and let the free market do its thing

What’s more the authoritarian instinct is to want credit

Was recently reading about the MAGA intellectuals saying their complaint with DeSantis is that he wasn’t authoritarian enough.

This was always the playbook. FDR really has nothing on these guys anymore. He was always the aspirational model.

These are different times

[mickeycrimm]

After years of authoritarian abuse by democrats you guys wanting to call republicans authoritarian is cracking me up.

[gut]

After years of authoritarian abuse by democrats you guys wanting to call republicans authoritarian is cracking me up.

jesus christ i always think you cant get dumber and then....

[Sanlmar]

After years of authoritarian abuse by democrats you guys wanting to call republicans authoritarian is cracking me up.

That’s the whataboutism we see from Druff. Both sides can be authoritarian. No one said democracy is faring well recently.


Instead of projecting what you want the MAGA right to be you should listen to the right’s intellectual thinkers and writers who have been influential in spelling out what a “more right-wing” America should look like

Curtis Yarvin has been in the tech right’s ear for quite a while. Much of what he talked about a decade ago has come to pass. He was the first to describe what later become known as Doge. Thiel and JD Vance are in his orbit.

Hell, the DOGE guy himself, Elon, is a tech right Yarvin dude.

Vance is always quoting Patrick Deneen.

This video might be heavy sledding for you but you’ll feel the vibe fairly quickly. In a nutshell if you trim back on the democracy and aspire to the efficiency that a CEO experiences we would achieve great things as a nation. FDR had that kind of power by virtue of the desperate time of the Depression and the emergency powers awarded him in WWII. We need more of the WWII FDR in our lives they will argue. He accomplished so much.

Monarchies are similar to CEO’s. Both are what we need to be about. Now take a look at Trump this year. Anything rhyme?




I try not to project my own preferences. I am more a reporter here. I find it useful to see the world as it is first.

[Dan Druff]

Notice that the right can criticize its own administration -- and I'm not talking about from farther right -- without everyone freaking out.

This is different from the modern left, where any deviation from the acceptable position of the day is considered heresy.

Here is Ted Cruz sharply criticizing the FCC's interference in the Kimmel matter: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000727471523

Here's an article describing it, if you don't feel like listening: https://archive.ph/kLgtP



Where were the Democrats criticizing all of the censorship against right wing figures and thought in 2020-21?

Remember when Trump was banned from Twitter, under the flimsiest of flimsy pretenses? I don't remember a single left winger calling that out as wrong, even though he was the sitting President, and even though Twitter allowed the most brutal dictators and terrorists of other countries to have accounts in good standing.

It was shameful, but nobody on the left spoke up.

Also notice that conservatives flipped out when Pam Bondi talked about "going after hate speech".

This illustrates that one side is willing to stand on principle over party, and the other isn't.

[Dan Druff]

I've had some left-leaning friends privately message me with this FCC/Kimmel stuff asking, "What do you think about this, huh? You're a big free speech guy, right? Do you need any more proof that Trump is an authoritarian?"

And then when I'd concede that I don't like this at all, but pointed out that the Dems were doing the same thing earlier this decade, I would get back, "Come on, that's not the same thing and you know it."

I was very disappointed that we couldn't simply come together and state that all government interference in speech matters sucks, and that both sides have been doing it. Instead I was expected to admit that Trump was a speech-crushing authoritarian, while getting no concession that the left ever suppressed speech themselves.


That's why I was happy to see a post from a fellow old-school hacker yesterday on Facebook -- one who is on the left and is almost always at odds with my political beliefs. In fact, he and I had a rather spirited political debate about a month ago.

But his post this time was comparing the recent FCC actions to the incidents outlined in "The Twitter Files" (the exposure of the government-encouraged censorship on Twitter). His post sarcastically stated, "Looks like we learned a whole lot from last time."

I responded that he was correct -- we didn't learn anything from that reprehensible situation, and that both the Twitter mess and this FCC thing are equally bad. I said, "The government needs to keep hands off all speech matters involving private companies, no matter what." He emphatically agreed. This was probably the first time ever that we were in full political agreement, and it revolved around mistakes in both of our respective parties.

I wish we could see more of that, in general. I'm willing to state, as a conservative, that this action was awful. It would be nice if the other side can extend the olive branch and say, "Yeah, and the social media stuff in the early 2020s was really bad, too. That should never happen again, either."

[lol wow]

danny dradles with the worsst story eveeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rr

[mickeycrimm]

After years of authoritarian abuse by democrats you guys wanting to call republicans authoritarian is cracking me up.

jesus christ i always think you cant get dumber and then....

Gutless, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you’d be twice as smart as you really are.

[lol wow]

was that even a good roast what was that lol

[mickeycrimm]

After years of authoritarian abuse by democrats you guys wanting to call republicans authoritarian is cracking me up.

That’s the whataboutism we see from Druff. Both sides can be authoritarian. No one said democracy is faring well recently.


Instead of projecting what you want the MAGA right to be you should listen to the right’s intellectual thinkers and writers who have been influential in spelling out what a “more right-wing” America should look like

Curtis Yarvin has been in the tech right’s ear for quite a while. Much of what he talked about a decade ago has come to pass. He was the first to describe what later become known as Doge. Thiel and JD Vance are in his orbit.

Hell, the DOGE guy himself, Elon, is a tech right Yarvin dude.

Vance is always quoting Patrick Deneen.

This video might be heavy sledding for you but you’ll feel the vibe fairly quickly. In a nutshell if you trim back on the democracy and aspire to the efficiency that a CEO experiences we would achieve great things as a nation. FDR had that kind of power by virtue of the desperate time of the Depression and the emergency powers awarded him in WWII. We need more of the WWII FDR in our lives they will argue. He accomplished so much.

Monarchies are similar to CEO’s. Both are what we need to be about. Now take a look at Trump this year. Anything rhyme?




I try not to project my own preferences. I am more a reporter here. I find it useful to see the world as it is first.

We can’t cut back on democracy because we don’t have a democracy. We have a constitutional republic.

[Sanlmar]

That’s the whataboutism we see from Druff. Both sides can be authoritarian. No one said democracy is faring well recently.


Instead of projecting what you want the MAGA right to be you should listen to the right’s intellectual thinkers and writers who have been influential in spelling out what a “more right-wing” America should look like

Curtis Yarvin has been in the tech right’s ear for quite a while. Much of what he talked about a decade ago has come to pass. He was the first to describe what later become known as Doge. Thiel and JD Vance are in his orbit.

Hell, the DOGE guy himself, Elon, is a tech right Yarvin dude.

Vance is always quoting Patrick Deneen.

This video might be heavy sledding for you but you’ll feel the vibe fairly quickly. In a nutshell if you trim back on the democracy and aspire to the efficiency that a CEO experiences we would achieve great things as a nation. FDR had that kind of power by virtue of the desperate time of the Depression and the emergency powers awarded him in WWII. We need more of the WWII FDR in our lives they will argue. He accomplished so much.

Monarchies are similar to CEO’s. Both are what we need to be about. Now take a look at Trump this year. Anything rhyme?




I try not to project my own preferences. I am more a reporter here. I find it useful to see the world as it is first.

We can’t cut back on democracy because we don’t have a democracy. We have a constitutional republic.

Neither has anything to do with their desire for a more authoritarian and efficient method of governance.

JD Vance will carry this flag forward if given the chance. He’s fully bought in. How they navigate that exchange will be intriguing. I rule nothing out.

[VaughnP]

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This idiot being a hypocrite has already been beaten to death but posting this particular clip for posterity's sake.

[Dan Druff]

"The left isn't violent"

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Bonus LOL @ California for actually releasing this guy on bail! WTF!

[Dan Druff]

What a fucking hypocrite

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[desertrunner]

Druff- Wish you would have kept the general forum thread open on Jimmy Kimmel. He is a long time retard and I would like to keep doing general updates on him. This thread is specific and I cant add future general info to it now.

[Sanlmar]

What a fucking hypocrite

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America is full of retards. I’m not gonna watch the clip because I care not a lick about this guy. I cant even keep the names straight amongst the late night legacy dudes.

What does interest me (and it’s really all that matters about this story) is that America really does continue to embrace Biden’s Ministry of Truth. People would once defend to the death Kimmel’s right to be a retard. No mo’.

Few notice. Fewer care. That’s EoT

[FRANKRIZZO]

Son says only people over 50 like him and his quirky sense of humor. Like him more then say Conan Obrein. Don't know why he hates Mat Damon. Like his side kick Guilermo