Pete Rose and "Shoeless" Joe Jackson now eligible for the HOF

[RichardBrodiesCombover.]

Mlb lifted the bans

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/breakin...201601413.html


About time

[The Boz]

As you said….About Fucking Time.

Unfortunately the voters on the Veterans Committee are still a bunch of assholes.

[Dan Druff]

Rose makes more sense.

He was not a good person, and refused to compromise with MLB regarding being allowed into the HOF, but there are two facts about his time in baseball:

1) He did not cheat to get his stats as a player. Those were all legitimate.

2) His gambling affected only a minimal number of games, at most, and likely only indirectly.


Thus, it would not be a huge affront to baseball to let him in.

He has a better HOF case than ones like Jackson (who threw an entire World Series!), as well as the more modern steroid cheaters.

[desertrunner]

Im not a sports person, but a long time Pete Rose supporter and this was long over due.

[tgull]

Rose makes more sense.

He was not a good person, and refused to compromise with MLB regarding being allowed into the HOF, but there are two facts about his time in baseball:

1) He did not cheat to get his stats as a player. Those were all legitimate.

2) His gambling affected only a minimal number of games, at most, and likely only indirectly.


Thus, it would not be a huge affront to baseball to let him in.

He has a better HOF case than ones like Jackson (who threw an entire World Series!), as well as the more modern steroid cheaters.

0% chance he would ever get in, they are not letting Barry Bonds in who was a certain HOF'r before he started juicing. Rose was the manager, and certainly made decisions over the course of a game to make sure he won the bet. Especially in the late innings with the bullpen, maybe put your closer in to preserve a 3 run lead if the spread was 2. Or pitch a guy you would not normally pitch. There are endless scenarios. Like not giving a right fielder a day off when you normally would, but needed the bat in the lineup because you had the over. Like I said endless scenarios but it definitely would have come into his decision making. It's just disqualifying and the baseball purists won't put him in.

[rollinx420]

Rose makes more sense.

He was not a good person, and refused to compromise with MLB regarding being allowed into the HOF, but there are two facts about his time in baseball:

1) He did not cheat to get his stats as a player. Those were all legitimate.

2) His gambling affected only a minimal number of games, at most, and likely only indirectly.


Thus, it would not be a huge affront to baseball to let him in.

He has a better HOF case than ones like Jackson (who threw an entire World Series!), as well as the more modern steroid cheaters.

is this even accurate? i mean ive seen field of dreams multiple times and costner likes to paint shoeless joe as a guy who tried his hardest, laid out stats and such to back it up... dont know if thats hollywood stuff or not tho and obv way too lazy to do the research but at least i typed this out lol if theres one guy i know that can get on the case its detective druff

[rollinx420]

and obviously the guy with the most hits in the history of the game deserves HOF too duh

[simpdog]

It's 2025 and Donald Trump is president (again).

Pete Rose should be in the HOF.

[desertrunner]

I’m going to send my letter to the MLB office today supporting Pete Rose.

[Sanlmar]

I’m going to send my letter to the MLB office today supporting Pete Rose.

I don’t care at all about the Hall of Fame. I’ve never been and had no interest in going.

My kid would play a tournament in Cooperstown every summer when he was little. I’d pack his bag and give him $20 and tell him to call me. Never went.

Should a great baseball player who was a bad human be in Cooperstown? Where do you draw the line? Should there be any line? I’m not the guy to ask.

Of unique interest to you would be the accusation that Rose was a pedophile. The same guy who ran his bets in spring training said he ran 12-14 year old girls down there too. He liked them young they say. There has been court testimony about a particular girl who was a bit younger than 16. The scrutiny about such matters was different then compared to today.

I never was too interested Rose as a human and never spent a lot of effort on his biography like some others. He sure would have been fun to watch on the field though.

This is a publicity stunt by baseball. Any news is good new kinda thing.

[gut]

I’m going to send my letter to the MLB office today supporting Pete Rose.

I don’t care at all about the Hall of Fame. I’ve never been and had no interest in going.

My kid would play a tournament in Cooperstown every summer when he was little. I’d pack his bag and give him $20 and tell him to call me. Never went.

Should a great baseball player who was a bad human be in Cooperstown? Where do you draw the line? Should there be any line? I’m not the guy to ask.

Of unique interest to you would be the accusation that Rose was a pedophile. The same guy who ran his bets in spring training said he ran 12-14 year old girls down there too. He liked them young they say. There has been court testimony about a particular girl who was a bit younger than 16. The scrutiny about such matters was different then compared to today.

I never was too interested Rose as a human and never spent a lot of effort on his biography like some others. He sure would have been fun to watch on the field though.

This is a publicity stunt by baseball. Any news is good new kinda thing.

Same feelings. Its a museum. Apparently a bunch of Rose stuff in there already, although "he" isn't. Who cares?

Rose made more money by being blackballed than if he got in. He knew this. He had to act like a pariah to keep the grift going.
He didn't care. Why should anyone else?

[Jayjami]

Pete Rose was a horse’s ass, but a great baseball player. Just like TY Cobb. If he had learned the word contrition, he might have been inducted in his lifetime. I’m OK with him getting banned from baseball for life after gambling on his games, but I’d put him in the Hall.

[Ryback_feed_me_more]

Rose makes more sense.

He was not a good person, and refused to compromise with MLB regarding being allowed into the HOF, but there are two facts about his time in baseball:

1) He did not cheat to get his stats as a player. Those were all legitimate.

2) His gambling affected only a minimal number of games, at most, and likely only indirectly.


Thus, it would not be a huge affront to baseball to let him in.

He has a better HOF case than ones like Jackson (who threw an entire World Series!), as well as the more modern steroid cheaters.

Druff there’s been plenty of evidence that Shoeless Joe in fact never was involved in the deliberate throwing of the 1919 World Series and actually was one of the few on the team that refused to participate however Commissioner Kenesaw Landis decided to ban any and all players he believed were involved. In fact Jackson was implicated by some of the teammates who legit took money from the mob there remains to this day no proof Jackson ever took a dime to throw the series.

Why would a guy who was supposedly tanking the series with other players actually lead multiple stat categories between both teams including setting a World Series record at the time of 12 base hits. If he was on the take it sure was a weird way to do it.

[Ryback_feed_me_more]

I’m going to send my letter to the MLB office today supporting Pete Rose.

I don’t care at all about the Hall of Fame. I’ve never been and had no interest in going.

My kid would play a tournament in Cooperstown every summer when he was little. I’d pack his bag and give him $20 and tell him to call me. Never went.

Should a great baseball player who was a bad human be in Cooperstown? Where do you draw the line? Should there be any line? I’m not the guy to ask.

Of unique interest to you would be the accusation that Rose was a pedophile. The same guy who ran his bets in spring training said he ran 12-14 year old girls down there too. He liked them young they say. There has been court testimony about a particular girl who was a bit younger than 16. The scrutiny about such matters was different then compared to today.

I never was too interested Rose as a human and never spent a lot of effort on his biography like some others. He sure would have been fun to watch on the field though.

This is a publicity stunt by baseball. Any news is good new kinda thing.

My uncle was a vice cop in Tampa they heard the rumors but never got solid enough evidence to arrest him for being a fan of young girls. He hated the guy though and it wasn’t just because my uncle was a fan of the Cubs.

[tigerpiper]

Absolute scum bag.

I always thought he should be banned forever, but I read an article yesterday with a bunch of hall of famers who said he should be in, and that changed my mind.

Its a museum of ball players, not saints.

Still, he was a scumbag.

I remember 20 years ago or more on one of my first trips to Vegas I saw him signing in the Forum shops. Oh my god, I said to my friend, thats PETE ROSE!! My friend was like, dude is there every weekend. And from many trips after that, my friend was right.

And that Cincinnati chili is vile, too.

[GrenadaRoger]

re: Shoeless Joe Jackson

his .375 batting average contains an interesting split. In the four thrown games, Jackson hit .250 with one run scored and no RBI; in the other four, he batted .500 with four runs and six RBI. In each of the first two games Jackson allowed a two-out, two-run triple to left field. And even if the evidence that Jackson actually threw the Series is ambiguous, the evidence that he was paid to do so is overwhelming

http://roadsidephotos.sabr.org/baseball/bb99-6.htm.

[desertrunner]

[Dan Druff]

Absolute scum bag.

I always thought he should be banned forever, but I read an article yesterday with a bunch of hall of famers who said he should be in, and that changed my mind.

Its a museum of ball players, not saints.

Still, he was a scumbag.

I remember 20 years ago or more on one of my first trips to Vegas I saw him signing in the Forum shops. Oh my god, I said to my friend, thats PETE ROSE!! My friend was like, dude is there every weekend. And from many trips after that, my friend was right.

And that Cincinnati chili is vile, too.

I walked by him many times at the Forum Shops.

One of the time I was tempted to have a then-very-young Benjamin take a picture with him, but I never ended up doing it. Same with Mike Tyson, who I also saw at times at The Forum Shops. In both cases, it would have been a joke more than anything else.

It apparently really bothered Pete Rose that he wouldn't get into the HOF while alive. It sounds like he didn't care about getting in once dead, feeling that he couldn't personally appreciate it.

[desertrunner]

I hope Druff can cover Pete Rose on the next radio show.

[desertrunner]