**** Official Election Day Thread. Mr. Trump versus Ms. Harris ****

[GrenadaRoger]

I'm talking about public labor unions.

Which ones exactly? Like just teachers? Police and fire? You getting rid of Granada Roger's pension? I assume IRS workers have a union but I have no idea tbh.

yes, the IRS has a union, although membership is not required...the union does actively recruit (pressure?) employees to join; but if one wants to advance into management, membership is seen by some to be a bad choice.

the compensation package, particularly benefits, while good is not as nice as that for LA County employees.

personally, i think where there is a single buyer of labor (in this case the government) a single seller (union) is needed to level the bargaining power.

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[The Boz]

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Except the stupid bastard doesn’t realize HIS far left views are why normal working Americans abandoned the party. Irony at its finest.

America will be a better place when he and Ruthie are swapping spit together in hell!

[BCR]

Which ones exactly? Like just teachers? Police and fire? You getting rid of Granada Roger's pension? I assume IRS workers have a union but I have no idea tbh.

yes, the IRS has a union, although membership is not required...the union does actively recruit (pressure?) employees to join; but if one wants to advance into management, membership is seen by some to be a bad choice.

the compensation package, particularly benefits, while good is not as nice as that for LA County employees.

personally, i think where there is a single buyer of labor (in this case the government) a single seller (union) is needed to level the bargaining power.

You don’t sound to be necessarily an abolish the union guy. Am I correct in that assumption? To make another assumption, I would guess most of the workers come from an accounting or actuarial education background? I have no idea. I would just assume that lends itself to the work. I don’t think I’ve ever known someone in that field that I can recall. I’m sure there are a bunch of support staff and tech workers also.

Like the SEC, it’s an agency that many would like to see not function properly. I would imagine having a union and nice benefits package would keep more qualified workers from leaving for the private sector.

That strikes me as the case for many of the public unions. Good teachers make great salesman. Presentation and communication skills. My buddy started in education and made the transition. Go from making 30k in the late 90s in Vegas to six figures. Not much choice once kids arrive. Most of the teachers he started with who were good switched careers .

Great accountants can make serious bank in the private sector. I heard a story about a kid who graduated a year behind me in school recently. Owned an accounting firm in North Carolina. Married to girl who also went to school with us. I don’t even recall either. Recall his name, but that’s it.

His wife got into yoga, so he bought her a yoga studio. She then proceeded to fall in love with a yoga instructor. He wanted to save marriage despite it. She was head over heels and wanted out immediately. He bought her a condo for like $300k and she signed everything else away. Kids already adults. He then sold his firm six months later for $15 million and the kids won’t talk to her. Cautionary tale about mid-life idiocy, but clearly he had a nice little firm.

I worked for the UAW. I worked first young as simply labor member during school. Then later as benefits rep in mid twenties. There was all kinds of abuse. We would sent the same guy to rehab 5 times. Same people always spending six months a year on sick leave. Idiots ruin shit for everyone. I spent much of my time fighting for people I couldn’t stand.

I saw the writing on the wall and how unsustainable it all was. But we weren’t really competing with anything. These people didn’t have some better job waiting. They had jobs for half the money and none of the benefits waiting and yet still abused it. Company also made idiotic decisions with engineering and design. It turned into an everyone grab what they can because it’s all going down eventually situation. Was already in that decline when I started.

Most public unions strike me as keeping good employees from the private sector. Not all. They all protect bad employees I’m sure that everyone would like to see fired, but they also retain good ones. I assume without unions it just becomes a resume filler to get a years experience before leaving for private sector in many of the government jobs.

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Except the stupid bastard doesnÂ’t realize HIS far left views are why normal working Americans abandoned the party. Irony at its finest.

America will be a better place when he and Ruthie are swapping spit together in hell!

His views will be exactly where American pivots next if Trump doesnÂ’t succeed. It wonÂ’t be him. Might be an Andrew Yang type. These Reagan Republicans 2020s version that is MAGA is what wins elections for Trump.

The Latino voters is a large boon for the party. Maybe the most important development and there may come a time they don’t need the rust belt states, but not needing non educated whites is still a long way away.

There are only so many small business owners. There are more workers. And so many were Trump or Bernie in 2016 that it was amazing. It’s contradictory, but they aren’t ideologues. The Dems fucked them so they’re trying this now, but that Bernie strain is also viewed as outsider shit and they liked him.