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Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post

It wasn't perceived as being in our best interests. People like to give neocons/neoliberals a hard time, but I think it is extremely under-rated just how good a job our elites generally did the last 50 years or so for American interests. And as we move into a new multipolar world, with right wing populism and left wing suicidal socialism becoming more and more prevalent; we will look back fondly at just how awesome neoliberal Pax Americana was.

Dont get me wrong. Given how it all started, and the range of possible outcomes, Israel and the Jewish people have had a pretty good run themselves*. But allowing Palestinian ethnonationalism and belligerence to fester like it has, has definitely not been a good thing for anyone, including Palestinians.
Agreed, there will be no winners.

Always fun Kalam. One of the very few on PFA capable of participating in a dialogue.



Off the cuff

Round numbers we are looking at $10 trillion of debt for the last 20 years for very little gain at best. I’d argue increased instability.

We are becoming numb to what a trillion means any more and its been 16 years since we’ve had a financial crisis. Memories are short.

What it is gonna cost to service our debt is the new “it” topic. Or should be. (Me and Tellafriend are bond guys)

You wanna delve into 1973-2001 we can do that too. Vastly more interesting.

We will now reap what we sowed. By “we” i mean the millenials
20 years ago it seems most people were predicting EU and China would have surpassed the US as economic powers, and yet here we are, still kicking ass and taking names. Obviously mistakes have been made along the way, and a slow decline seems inevitable, but I dont think it is fair to say the last 20 years haven't worked out. In the range of possible outcomes, I would say we are still running +EV, mainly because of the EU's decision to de-industrialize and Xi meddling in the Chinese economy for the worse.