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Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post

Pax Americana of the last 75 years was the historical anomaly. Insanely stable, peaceful and prosperous. Now that the world is trending toward multiparity, things are reverting back to the norm. Which is wars, death, disease, poverty.

You can be an isolationist at heart, but you also need to accept we actually are generally very good at this sort of thing (or we were), and the more we pull back the more millions of people thousands of miles away are going to suffer. And eventually the suffering will reach us at home too.

Now maybe there is nothing to do. All empires fall eventually. But IMO America should be praised for the results it gave the last 75 years. And if you think we are the problem, and the rest of the world will be better off without our involvement, you are in for a rude awakening IMO.
We’ve been scrapping on foreign soil uninterrupted for the past 20 years. We’ve caused a great deal of suffering to millions thousands of miles away.

We really couldn’t do anything more to antagonize the multipolar neighbors.
We antagonize them because we are so much better than them. NATO isn't what threatens Putin's regime of cronyism. The fact our western liberal societies are so much better than Putin dominated societies are what threaten and antagonizes the regime.

Israel antagonizes the Arab world because it is a daily reminder how pathetic their societies are in comparison.

The "multipolar world" is mostly envious losers who are threatened by our clear superiority. And because they suck so much, our leaving isn't going to make anything better. Afghanistan isn't better for our leaving. It sucks. Giving Putin to Ukraine isn't going to make Ukraine better. It is going to make is suckier. Which is why the Ukrainian people are fighting so hard to make it not happen.