Regarding Boz and sonatine

[Dan Druff]

I'm going to try this one last time.

Let's say I woke up tomorrow and thought to myself, "You know what? desertrunner is 100% right about this. I am going to let him decide who we need to remove from the forum."

And let's say that, upon my asking you for a list of people to remove, you had me ban sonatine, BCR, and a few others that you've complained about in the past. Let's even say that I promised to leave them banned for at least 12 months.

So we get to WSOP 2026, in June. sonatine, BCR, and the rest have been banned for 9 months.

Do you think my reputation in poker -- or this site's reputation -- would even be the slightest bit better?

The answer is NO. Why? Because their posts weren't really the problem. But we'd still have your posts/threads about black people, as well as reposts of tweets from known racist X accounts, as well as your "Transgender Pictures Thread", as well as other stuff which would get people upset to see.

So I'd still be having the uncomfortable conversations about why I allow these things on my site. And I'd still be giving the same "free speech" answer I always give. But it feels shitty whenever this happens, and I don't love thinking about what these people must say to other players behind my back.



I am not saying that I'm going to additionally censor the forum. As you've seen, I've even allowed blatantly anti-Semitic shit to stay up here, despite being Jewish myself. I prefer to respond to that sort of ridiculous crap and debunk it, rather than censor it.

And yes, lots of people besides you -- including members here who vote Democrat -- also post offensive things which can make me and/or the site look bad.

The offensiveness of this community dates all the way back to the 2004 NWP days, and in fact the modern version on PFA pales in comparison to the shit that used to go on. But it's a different time with different standards, and the bottom line is that it's my name ultimately connected with this site.

My point is that the free speech nature of this site has long been a thorn in my side reputation-wise, but I've dealt with it because I believe in running a forum with minimal censorship. It's absurd that you think my banning a few guys you dislike will change that for me, especially when you are one of the biggest offenders regarding posting things which people would find objectionable.

[zealanddonk]

Just set up "the Carter" or whatever it was called back on NWP or DD, make it a private login only forum and send DessertRunner there.
He can post to his heart's content and a lot less people would see it.

Or you know, send him off to Stormfront.

[nunbeater]

Going to have to explain this again for the 7th time here- The whole Sonatine pedo reference. For years, Sonatine has a confirmed online behavior of appearing obsessive and following around a complete stranger (to him) on this board. Its OK to maybe do it once or twice, but to be that obsessive, determined and not stop for years is obvious known pedo-like behavior.

going to have to explain this again for the 7th time here, when you repeatedly accuse someone of being a pedo with no proof it kind of looks like you are actually the pedo

[Tellafriend]

I read what I read online and again, it upsets me.

...but the absolute #1 complaint I hear about PFA at the WSOP and other live poker experiences is that I allow "racism and other bigoted content".

Good call. You should look closer at Sonatine who posts nude black men on here and more recently BCR who called me a "sand nig-er" after I posted here that I have an Arab background. You should start looking at all of the posts by the resident liberals that constantly attacks the "good members" here with the constant liberal insults of autism, "faggot", etc. Those are the problem people we constantly see here and complain about. This is why Snowtracks, Dwai and FPSJesus left the forum.

I actually have toned down what is allowed here for that reason, because it's true that at the end of the day, I am the sole owner and moderator, and the posts here can have a reflection upon me, even if I didn't make them or support them. It's always been a fine line between free speech and potential damage to my reputation, when it comes to moderating PFA.

Unfortunately, you only moderate a handful of members here and the others get to break the rules.

The reason I'm bringing this up is because nobody has ever complained to me that sonatine's shitposting is offending them. The complaints have all been about racist/homophobic type content, and a lot of what you've posted would be considered that way by many people, regardless of how you mean it.

Lets break that down-

"racist"- The resident liberals here use the national tactic on PFA- Any disagreeable topic that includes race is "racist" if you dont agree with them.

Druff- Your buying into the old tactic of "because I said so" by them. Just because the resident libtards here claim "racism", does not mean its actually true. Me- I'm very careful what I post here on race and its always within normal acceptable standards. My main point here has always been- I do not believe blacks are victims, repressed or deserve reparations.The Twitter/X videos I post here show the national pulse of what is current in the black community. And those posts have never been removed as they are legit and tasteful. So YES, I do use my Freedom of Speech and Expression here on the topic, but its never been outside of the allowable limits and you know this. The only person to go full ballistic here on racism was Brutal Thinker and another member shut him down.

"homophobic"- The board allows people here to use the popular "Later Fag" graphic of a baby being thrown out of a building window. I purposely newer use this board supplied graphic as its just not my style. Any other "homophobic" posts or material by me- I just dont think there has been any. If so, we would have heard about it.

This was just posted on PFA today and did you do any thing??

Practice what you preach, victim retard. Its one thing to repeatedly disrespect your real life friend, but to then repeatedly cry and pout puts you firmly in the top tier of retarded faggots of all time.

This happens every week on this website...

In short, if I banned sonatine or deleted all of his posts, it would have zero effect on my reputation in poker.

Based on....what?? Based on here is woven into the fabric here- hes only been here a few months longer than me. Based on some bogus seniority list here?

I also disagree....You have multiple good members here telling you they are sick tired of his rBS outine here. I think that would reflect accurately onto the real WSOP world. Most real life poker pros do not want to see naked black men or fat naked black women here along with the more recent annoying enlarged bogus IA profile summaries. I am sure the real life poker players find the bogus IA spam shots here annoying and the constant liberal attacks and name calling. I am sure my posts about flashlights, cars, hamburgers and women fishing arent hurting the real life WSOP guys viewing here.

If I banned you or deleted all of your posts, it would reduce the amount of flak I get from some people in live poker settings regarding what I allow here.

I find that hard to believe and think youre just throwing that on here to shift the conversation. I do believe you have a few liberal minded players approaching you, but I question if they are actually saying- "You know that desert runner, he sure upsets me...:" I just dont find that believable. All of my posts here are pretty mellow and within normal guide lines and the posted 2016 rules.

[mickeycrimm]

Going to have to explain this again for the 7th time here- The whole Sonatine pedo reference. For years, Sonatine has a confirmed online behavior of appearing obsessive and following around a complete stranger (to him) on this board. Its OK to maybe do it once or twice, but to be that obsessive, determined and not stop for years is obvious known pedo-like behavior.

going to have to explain this again for the 7th time here, when you repeatedly accuse someone of being a pedo with no proof it kind of looks like you are actually the pedo

Tine and his friends have repeatedly called others pedos, me in particular. Tine even wrote pedophillic fantasies about me. I started returning fire and calling them pedos. What comes around goes around. But clueless blind idiots like you never seem to remember that tine and his friends were the ones that started it.

[Tellafriend]

going to have to explain this again for the 7th time here, when you repeatedly accuse someone of being a pedo with no proof it kind of looks like you are actually the pedo

Tine and his friends have repeatedly called others pedos, me in particular. Tine even wrote pedophillic fantasies about me. I started returning fire and calling them pedos. What comes around goes around. But clueless blind idiots like you never seem to remember that tine and his friends were the ones that started it.

[mickeycrimm]

Tine and his friends have repeatedly called others pedos, me in particular. Tine even wrote pedophillic fantasies about me. I started returning fire and calling them pedos. What comes around goes around. But clueless blind idiots like you never seem to remember that tine and his friends were the ones that started it.

When I first started posting here sonatine trolled every post I made. He trolled me in every thread. His libtard friends jumped in to help him. I hit them back as hard as I could. And when Druff jumped in it was always to save his friend sonatine.

Then Boz went after sonatine the way sonatine went after me, hot and heavy. I have to admit Boz is better at it than I am. Tine tried to keep up with Boz but got blown out of the water. Boz destroyed him. So he put Boz on ignore. And he said so.

I thought it was funny as hell that the master troller, sonatine, actually had to put someone on ignore because he couldn't take it anymore. He plum got his ass kicked in a troll war with a righty. LOL!

Druff jumping in to save sonatine reminds me of:

[sonatine]

When I first started posting here sonatine trolled every post I made.

in my defense youre an incredibly easy target.

[desertrunner]

Going to have to explain this again for the 7th time here- The whole Sonatine pedo reference. For years, Sonatine has a confirmed online behavior of appearing obsessive and following around a complete stranger (to him) on this board. Its OK to maybe do it once or twice, but to be that obsessive, determined and not stop for years is obvious known pedo-like behavior.

going to have to explain this again for the 7th time here, when you repeatedly accuse someone of being a pedo with no proof it kind of looks like you are actually the pedo

Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong point.

[mickeycrimm]

When I first started posting here sonatine trolled every post I made.

in my defense youre an incredibly easy target.

Yes, very easy to target someone with vile epithets over the internet while using a fictitious name from your mommie’s dark basement and enjoying the aroma of chili bean farts. bcr loves that smell too. Thats why he keeps his nose up your ass.

You are a case study in cowardice. Now run back to your dark basement hiding place.

[Dan Druff]

mickey:

I don't see how I have "saved" sonatine.

I literally told Boz it was fine to troll sonatine, but just not to clutter good/interesting threads with it.

I have also never interfered with anything you've said to sonatine.

And sonatine himself will tell you that I've deleted a number of his posts, as well, which I felt were cluttering threads.

Basically when I open an interesting-looking thread and find it has degenerated into a pile of shit, that tends to be when I start deleting/moving posts.

[mickeycrimm]

mickey:

I don't see how I have "saved" sonatine.

I literally told Boz it was fine to troll sonatine, but just not to clutter good/interesting threads with it.

I have also never interfered with anything you've said to sonatine.

And sonatine himself will tell you that I've deleted a number of his posts, as well, which I felt were cluttering threads.

Basically when I open an interesting-looking thread and find it has degenerated into a pile of shit, that tends to be when I start deleting/moving posts.

Fair enough.

[sonatine]

Basically when I open an interesting-looking thread and find it has degenerated into a pile of shit, that tends to be when I start deleting/moving posts.

so basically this whole website is on notice.

[BetCheckBet]

Reminder that the forums biggest star, Bart Hanson, was driven away from the site by relentless trolls who went after his dead dog worse than any charlie kirk troll.. Had he remained, druff likely would have been a paid coach on his training site, partnered on their podcast, and received a lucrative backing deal. There is only one type of poster hurting druff.

[BCR]

Reminder that the forums biggest star, Bart Hanson, was driven away from the site by relentless trolls who went after his dead dog worse than any charlie kirk troll.. Had he remained druff likely would have been a paid coach on his training site, partnered on their podcast, and received a lucrative backing deal. There is only one type of poster hurting druff.

I would guess there have been a dozen times they’ve thought about Druff for televised poker commentary given his long history on radio and prominent listeners, and someone said we can’t touch him because of guys who post desert runner type shit constantly.

[BetCheckBet]

Reminder that the forums biggest star, Bart Hanson, was driven away from the site by relentless trolls who went after his dead dog worse than any charlie kirk troll.. Had he remained druff likely would have been a paid coach on his training site, partnered on their podcast, and received a lucrative backing deal. There is only one type of poster hurting druff.

I would guess there have been a dozen times they’ve thought about Druff for televised poker commentary given his long history on radio and prominent listeners, and someone said we can’t touch him because of guys who post desert runner type shit constantly.

Druff has actually addressed this numerous times in the past ten years (I'm not sure if recently cause radio is too late for me to listen to nowadays). But yes he has clearly indicated that numerous high profile people refuse to associate with his site despite their liking of him.

[sonatine]

I would guess there have been a dozen times they’ve thought about Druff for televised poker commentary given his long history on radio and prominent listeners, and someone said we can’t touch him because of guys who post desert runner type shit constantly.

Druff has actually addressed this numerous times in the past ten years (I'm not sure if recently cause radio is too late for me to listen to nowadays). But yes he has clearly indicated that numerous high profile people refuse to associate with his site despite their liking of him.

remember when micon got to give play by play analysis at a wsop?

he was good at it to.

[The Boz]

Reminder that the forums biggest star, Bart Hanson, was driven away from the site by relentless trolls who went after his dead dog worse than any charlie kirk troll.. Had he remained, druff likely would have been a paid coach on his training site, partnered on their podcast, and received a lucrative backing deal. There is only one type of poster hurting druff.

Isn’t that on Druff for not making a decision to close the site and distance himself from it? Maybe it’s too late but like everything else in life, it’s his choice. Maybe this site is more important to him and he feels the consequences come with the territory.

As for Bart Hanson, he isn’t gone, just mention Covid and little vax boy will show up.

[Dan Druff]

Druff has actually addressed this numerous times in the past ten years (I'm not sure if recently cause radio is too late for me to listen to nowadays). But yes he has clearly indicated that numerous high profile people refuse to associate with his site despite their liking of him.

remember when micon got to give play by play analysis at a wsop?

he was good at it to.

I don't know or care about Micon's analysis, but I did enjoy the one time I got to do it.

It was in 2009, at the $10k Limit Holdem WSOP final table. Poor Chad Brown (RIP) lost with the ace high flush to Greg Mueller's straight flush, in a pivotal hand. Mueller ended up winning it.

I was doing the color commentary, and really enjoyed it. It took 10 hours, but flew by. I took no breaks other than when the action at the table stopped.

When I was in the bathroom, a Rio employee accidentally opened the door too aggressively as I was reaching for the handle to go out, and it slammed my hand hard and made a huge, deep cut. It was bleeding worse than any cut I ever had, but I didn't want to quit the broadcast because of it. I tried to go to security to get band-aids, but they didn't want to give me them unless I filled out a report. I declined to fill out a report because I didn't want the guy getting in trouble for a freak accident. Finally they gave me like 3 band-aids, but the bleeding was so bad that they were soaked within a short time.

I went back to continue broadcasting, and my broadcast partner (Bernard Lee, whom I had never met before) couldn't believe what he was seeing. I asked if someone in the ESPN room could just get me more band-aids and something to wrap my hand, and they agreed and did so. In the meantime, I kept on broadcasting. Bernard quietly asked me at one point, "Are you sure you don't want to go to the hospital? This looks like it might be serious", but I told him I'd just wrap it and deal with it later. He wasn't grossed out or anything, just concerned and surprised I wasn't quitting to go tend to this.

I really, really didn't want to quit. I knew NWP's reputation and didn't know when I'd get this chance again, if ever.

It took about an hour, but the bleeding stopped. I kept broadcasting the entire time as if nothing had happened.

My dad, who knows a little about poker but has never played, watched the entire thing and complimented me. He said he was very impressed how clear my strategy explanations were, and how correctly I was predicting the action. But that was my dad, so it's not like he was unbiased, and he also wasn't a poker expert by any means.

When I next played limit holdem at Bellagio, Chris Vitch (DeathDonkey) happened to be next to me. He said, "I really liked your commentary during the event. It was nice to finally listen to someone during a limit holdem broadcast who knows what they're talking about."

That was high praise coming from an accomplished player like him, and it felt good.

It's been 16 years and I've never done any further final table broadcasts. To be fair, I haven't tried, but I also haven't been invited without trying. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with this site, and also some of it has to do with my general outspoken nature which has made some people not care for me. Normally I don't care whether I'm part of any "cool crowd" in poker or anywhere else, but I do admit that I wish I could have broadcasted more final tables.

[sonatine]

remember when micon got to give play by play analysis at a wsop?

he was good at it to.

I don't know or care about Micon's analysis, but I did enjoy the one time I got to do it.

It was in 2009, at the $10k Limit Holdem WSOP final table. Poor Chad Brown (RIP) lost with the ace high flush to Greg Mueller's straight flush, in a pivotal hand. Mueller ended up winning it.

I was doing the color commentary, and really enjoyed it. It took 10 hours, but flew by. I took no breaks other than when the action at the table stopped.

When I was in the bathroom, a Rio employee accidentally opened the door too aggressively as I was reaching for the handle to go out, and it slammed my hand hard and made a huge, deep cut. It was bleeding worse than any cut I ever had, but I didn't want to quit the broadcast because of it. I tried to go to security to get band-aids, but they didn't want to give me them unless I filled out a report. I declined to fill out a report because I didn't want the guy getting in trouble for a freak accident. Finally they gave me like 3 band-aids, but the bleeding was so bad that they were soaked within a short time.

I went back to continue broadcasting, and my broadcast partner (Bernard Lee, whom I had never met before) couldn't believe what he was seeing. I asked if someone in the ESPN room could just get me more band-aids and something to wrap my hand, and they agreed and did so. In the meantime, I kept on broadcasting. Bernard quietly asked me at one point, "Are you sure you don't want to go to the hospital? This looks like it might be serious", but I told him I'd just wrap it and deal with it later. He wasn't grossed out or anything, just concerned and surprised I wasn't quitting to go tend to this.

I really, really didn't want to quit. I knew NWP's reputation and didn't know when I'd get this chance again, if ever.

It took about an hour, but the bleeding stopped. I kept broadcasting the entire time as if nothing had happened.

My dad, who knows a little about poker but has never played, watched the entire thing and complimented me. He said he was very impressed how clear my strategy explanations were, and how correctly I was predicting the action. But that was my dad, so it's not like he was unbiased, and he also wasn't a poker expert by any means.

When I next played limit holdem at Bellagio, Chris Vitch (DeathDonkey) happened to be next to me. He said, "I really liked your commentary during the event. It was nice to finally listen to someone during a limit holdem broadcast who knows what they're talking about."

That was high praise coming from an accomplished player like him, and it felt good.

It's been 16 years and I've never done any further final table broadcasts. To be fair, I haven't tried, but I also haven't been invited without trying. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with this site, and also some of it has to do with my general outspoken nature which has made some people not care for me. Normally I don't care whether I'm part of any "cool crowd" in poker or anywhere else, but I do admit that I wish I could have broadcasted more final tables.

how the fuck am i only hearing about this now