and just so you know, me personally, I would not have applied the chokehold so tight. It didnt seem after a few seconds that the guy was really fighting that much at that point.
its just not for me to decide
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and just so you know, me personally, I would not have applied the chokehold so tight. It didnt seem after a few seconds that the guy was really fighting that much at that point.
its just not for me to decide
Too much PhishQuote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
THIS is what the police now get to deal with....a bunch of obnoxious assholes that dont want to comply. Dont even get me started on what this officer COULD have been within his rights to do. He didnt do it, and look at the shit he got to deal with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYNdrsxrgNo
LOL what an asshole.....
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Originally Posted by DRK Star
Yep
Holy fucking shit, these are the dumb fucks cops have to put up with on a daily basis and now its going to get so much worse. Nobody is going to want to be a cop, which is going to lead to worse cops, which will lead to more incidents. Sick metagame the criminals are playing.
Jesus Christ, you dumb shits still can't get over the choke hold. Not one of you has answered the question of, what should an officer do to retain a 400+ pound man that is resisting arrest? One of you please give a better solution.
Hi varys, you take the time to give me a negative rep but still offer no solution. I wonder why......Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Id also like to know how to restrain a 400lb man who doesn't want to be restrained.
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Originally Posted by big dick
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Few ways to handle the situation from some random thread in reddit...
"I spent 14 years training officers, and if I saw the same video, but with no death or injury, I would have asked "why didn't you issue a citation and move on to something worthwhile?"
This amount of resources devoted to a cigarrette tax matter is not effective.
For times such as when our department was directed to "crack down" on some nonsense crime such as this we would encourage the officers to make a loud presence, issue brochures, lectures... anything but clog our courts with this garbage. When we have insufficient resources to prosecute meth dealers, violent stalkers, child abusers, I have less than zero concern over cigarrette tax.
So ok, let's just say he must be arrested, this man has been arrested many times before, he knows the drill. His body language was not that of a guy who was going to brawl with the officers, he just wasn't quite ready to be cuffed, and since he was not a current violent threat, they should have talked to him until he could have been brought in peacably. This just as easily could have resulted in an officer tweaking his back and the department having to suck up $100,000 in worker's comp liability."
"I never resorted to violence on a non-violent offender unless there was no other option.
For example, if someone was caught shoplifting but didn't want to empty their pockets, I didn't throw them on the ground and cuff them and then go tearing through their belongings. I mean, I had plenty of time. I can patiently sit there and explain a few times that "this is going to happen" and "you're better off doing this the easy way."
If it became obvious that physical force was the only option, I would call a couple of extra officers to my location. We would discuss the best plan to restrain the person right in front of the suspect, so they could hear exactly what we were going to do to them if they didn't cooperate. Often, that was enough for the person to say "fine, search me."
I handled dozens and dozens of incidents very similar to that and the one in NY and not one time did I have to choke a motherfucker."
Basically if you can't talk 99 out of 100 suspects like Gardner (unarmed, sober and non-threatening) to comply just get another fucking job before you get someone killed.
Oh right, you guys need me to explain why its probably incorrect to choke out a man for selling lolcigarettes illegally. Oooh he has a history of selling them? Wow. And he was upset and didnt immediately comply with the cops orders? Yeah choke him until he dies, for sure.
Arguing with you puppets will just extend this awful thread another few pages. Gimmick and lol wow have already done the lords work.
So now they choked him till he died? Are you fucking retarded? Serious question.Quote:
Originally Posted by varys
In college I bounced for 3 years and had to put dozens of people in headlocks/choke holds to get control of them. I guess I should have been arrested for attempted murder several times due to the .000000001% chance that after I threw one of these guys out of the bar they might have a heart attack later because they were so out of shape.
I'm surprised you wouldn't know this as a bouncer but yes assuming the other guy didn;t get violent with you first you have no right. Most clubs recognize potential for lawsuits and purposely hire bouncers who are experts at de-escalation. Grabbing a patron and forcing them to leave is generally illegal (bouncers have no authority to do so).Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishSo now they choked him till he died? Are you fucking retarded? Serious question.Quote:
Originally Posted by varys
In college I bounced for 3 years and had to put dozens of people in headlocks/choke holds to get control of them. I guess I should have been arrested for attempted murder several times due to the .000000001% chance that after I threw one of these guys out of the bar they might have a heart attack later because they were so out of shape.
I'm not sure where I stand on the case here. Police definitely escalated but at same time they were within legal right to do so.
Cop escalated by doing what his department specifically forbade all cops to do, which is put on a choke hold. He was not right to do that, according to the rules that govern his own actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
this is the main part of the trial where I would love to see the transcript. They were instructed not to choke, but its not illegal to choke, so how did the attorneys for the police explain why they had to do that? Due to the size of the guy? Did they argue that it wasnt tight because he could yell out I cant breathe 10 times?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyCop escalated by doing what his department specifically forbade all cops to do, which is put on a choke hold. He was not right to do that, according to the rules that govern his own actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
If there is a transcript, someone please post it. I didnt think there was.
That's where it gets complicated. My understanding is that police have a fair bit of latitude when it comes to taking measures to restrain an individual so it comes down to the likelihood that this would cause serious harm to an individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Starthis is the main part of the trial where I would love to see the transcript. They were instructed not to choke, but its not illegal to choke, so how did the attorneys for the police explain why they had to do that? Due to the size of the guy? Did they argue that it wasnt tight because he could yell out I cant breathe 10 times?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
If there is a transcript, someone please post it. I didnt think there was.
Best post in this thread and maybe on the site for a while. No more forQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
to say except I was surprised at DRK Str's comment.
One, there was no trial, and 2, grand juries almost NEVER make transcripts of testimony available for public consumption. Shit's secret, and supposed to stay that way, for the most part. Also, attorneys for possible defendants are not allowed to speak at grand jury hearings, either. No attorneys are, save the prosecutor, so pretty much everything you wrote can exist only in your head, not in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Starthis is the main part of the trial where I would love to see the transcript. They were instructed not to choke, but its not illegal to choke, so how did the attorneys for the police explain why they had to do that? Due to the size of the guy? Did they argue that it wasnt tight because he could yell out I cant breathe 10 times?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
If there is a transcript, someone please post it. I didnt think there was.
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Originally Posted by nightmarefish
He could've tickled him. Fat people are usually really ticklish. He would've dropped immed imo
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Originally Posted by BetCheckBetI'm surprised you wouldn't know this as a bouncer but yes assuming the other guy didn;t get violent with you first you have no right. Most clubs recognize potential for lawsuits and purposely hire bouncers who are experts at de-escalation. Grabbing a patron and forcing them to leave is generally illegal (bouncers have no authority to do so).Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I'm not sure where I stand on the case here. Police definitely escalated but at same time they were within legal right to do so.
What clubs have you been to man? a majority of the clubs are filled with overzealous bouncers who can't wait to get into an all out physical war. They're normally huge because they're meatheads, and they're usually meatheads because they're huge
Although I will clarify I am a bit older, 33, and haven't been to the clubs in probably 5-7 years. The age of the cell phone video has become huge. It just wasn't at the time I'm referring to. So I do know what you're saying. I also feel like I still read an awful lot of stories about bouncers throwing punches etc though