cla scams people with NFL bets

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Originally Posted by ellenemope

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Originally Posted by badguy23

Chris u pay simp i pay u only way kid!!

CAN U TRUST ME??

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These are both $500 debts right? Is there any reason Badguy cant just pay simp, we ban CLA and everyone is squared up?

I mean i think we all know the Badguy is full of shit and probably still trying to scrape up the loose change to pay. How Druff hasnt stepped in is beyond me. Im sure Druff will say that Badguy scamming is OK because now we know he just scammed a scammer. Thats bullshit, IMO. Just pay Simpdog Badguy, you lost the bet so pay it.

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This is by far the best solution, everyone who is owed money gets paid, cla is banned, and we all live happily ever after.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

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Originally Posted by ellenemope

These are both $500 debts right? Is there any reason Badguy cant just pay simp, we ban CLA and everyone is squared up?

I mean i think we all know the Badguy is full of shit and probably still trying to scrape up the loose change to pay. How Druff hasnt stepped in is beyond me. Im sure Druff will say that Badguy scamming is OK because now we know he just scammed a scammer. Thats bullshit, IMO. Just pay Simpdog Badguy, you lost the bet so pay it.

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This is by far the best solution, everyone who is owed money gets paid, cla is banned, and we all live happily ever after.

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This isn't going to happen. The Hebrew Hammer after consultation with Finklestein has already set precedent and ruled in Moneymaker vs. Young that one being freerolled in initial bet has no obligation to settle outside claims by pursuant parties. It's case law at this point.

Would be nice for simpdog, and I sympathize that he's got fucked twice now.

What about a Badguy invite only freerolll, I like to see simp get paid just like the rest of u, but it is what it is. Is Weiss on the hook for his hundo?

simp pm me

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Originally Posted by BCR

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

This is by far the best solution, everyone who is owed money gets paid, cla is banned, and we all live happily ever after.

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This isn't going to happen. The Hebrew Hammer after consultation with Finklestein has already set precedent and ruled in Moneymaker vs. Young that one being freerolled in initial bet has no obligation to settle outside claims by pursuant parties. It's case law at this point.

Would be nice for simpdog, and I sympathize that he's got fucked twice now.

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Fool me once shame on you
Fool me twice shame on me

Badguy I'll pm you. Does your plan involve echecks? Maybe get yebsite to help us out?

Or should we get jasep to setup a charity tourney for 22simp?

I'm too trusting of people coming public on a forum. I figure if people know your real info you think twice about rolling someone for 500

We have a long way to go to beat this one.
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...ighlight=jasep
You boys need to step up your game.

cla contacted me on 01/12 which was after the first two games of last weekend were played regarding my posts going off on him which is solely based on the information anyone on the forum can gather. I was simply looking at past situations in my analysis that I've seen on various forums including PFA with what I posted and hate to see anyone get screwed on this forum. He claimed I was killing his action for the upcoming week with my posts and that I have no idea what I'm talking about. He said he will pay and I will see.

In the PM's cla also stated he was screwed too which it's hard to feel sorry for him given he is well aware of badguy's reputation yet taking action anyways which I called him out saying why would he take action from badguy unless he was freerolling himself because it don't make any sense. If cla does pay what he owes then the ball is in badguy's court to pay cla like he says he would. Their shouldn't be a forward of debts from one person to another because then we never know if cla had the money he was betting in the first place which is a really big deal and I believe most people understand why that is.

I agreed to not post anymore in the threads "IF" he paid up which he hasn't yet. This frustrates me despite the fact imo users that bet with him were taking a risk in doing so without knowing the guys reputation BUT if an escrow was to be used they might have felt safer.

The problem with paypal is anyone can be charged back so inevitably the person who is used for the escrow (Druff, vegas, or whoever) is at risk of being charged back and then having to either eat the loss themselves or pray the winner of the bet will return the money to them since anyone whose a scammer will obviously flee the scene. The escrowed person might be able to charge back the winner if they don't return the money but it really creates a cluster fuck with paypal when they do a review and could ban their account for it.

As for some others taking bets from a guy like this please try to use better judgement in the future. Even if a guy he will escrow it don't mean the bet is always safe and if it don't appear like "x" amount of hours before the game to the person who you use to escrow then it should be deemed as no action.

cla has until radio show time Tuesday night to pay up or I'm going to snapshot copy and paste the pm he sent me regarding this and I will do my reply as well.

One thing I told cla is that he was showing bad practice in contacting users and wasn't truthful about his paypal being up when he said it was then after another party agrees to bet with him he can't use it. That is irresponsible of cla at the very least to not confirm he can use paypal before saying he could and shoots off a red flag right away to me.

If someone comes on the forum BEGGING for action and is hanging around the forum all day long then all the sudden when it's time to pay up gives you the run around it's a huge red flag. The person might start pm'ing those who they owe or post in the forums at the beginning trying to save face or buy time potentially to lock up a few last minute bets or I should say "freerolls".

cla PM's to me don't prove a whole lot more then what has been said BUT if he was trying to roll people he clearly cares that I was posting at the time as it may discourage people from giving him action (at least in his eyes). The fact is if he pays on time then others including myself wouldn't have any need to say anything. Perhaps I killed some of this weeks freeroll action "IF" that is what he was doing which at the moment everyone has every right to believe that is the case given the lack of communication and run around he has given everyone.

So were you freerolling cla??? Please say it isn't so and you can do that by paying who you owe saving your reputation somewhat. The longer you take or if you never pay will just prove what a lot of people assumed all along having every right to do so based on your horrible ways of handling the situation.

I did not know you could chargeback when you send money to a "friend or relative", thought that was just for business transactions. Won't be doing any escrows in the future TYVM.

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Originally Posted by vegas1369

I did not know you could chargeback when you send money to a "friend or relative", thought that was just for business transactions. Won't be doing any escrows in the future TYVM.

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I'm not 100% sure on this in regards to sending to a friend or "gift" type transactions. I do know it's much more difficult but I believe a scammer can get around that as well.

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You might be right I know at one point you could charge back with that option but paypal constantly changes their policies. I think they have changed it to not allow charge back disputes on gift transactions so I guess if someone is able to dispute something through their bank or remove the funds prior to paypal pulling them but after the credit was given to the person they sent it to then that might be the only way.

CLA hasn't IM'd or anything today. Still no signs of payment.

To make matters better they have put the $500 refund from Druff on hold.

I'm sure that will resolve itself but it is another knife in the back.

BPD in the house I see.

As an example of honorable betting protocol, Jimmy G approached me with a wager proposition the other day and I accepted. I have the Hawks to win -160, and Jimmy has shipped me the $100 already.

Obv I'll ship the $$ back plus winnings Sunday night in the unlikely event the Hawks lose, but I thought it appropriate to post in light of the various shenanigans going on around here.

I'd wish you luck Jimmy but I wouldn't mean it.

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

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Originally Posted by vegas1369

I did not know you could chargeback when you send money to a "friend or relative", thought that was just for business transactions. Won't be doing any escrows in the future TYVM.

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I'm not 100% sure on this in regards to sending to a friend or "gift" type transactions. I do know it's much more difficult but I believe a scammer can get around that as well.

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You might be right I know at one point you could charge back with that option but paypal constantly changes their policies. I think they have changed it to not allow charge back disputes on gift transactions so I guess if someone is able to dispute something through their bank or remove the funds prior to paypal pulling them but after the credit was given to the person they sent it to then that might be the only way.

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From the Jasep scam, I learned that once it's sent as a gift you are not allowed to chargeback to the person you sent it to. You can charge it back at your bank or credit card and it will put your account into the negative, but the receiver will never get screwed over on a gift. The only caveat to this, is if you send it and call paypal asap and tell them you sent it incorrectly, but the people receiving it would know you did this.

So word of advice, if you are going to escrow, always make sure it's sent as a gift.

Once again all you HATERS owe Badguy23 an apology...

BLAH BLAH BLAH HE'S A KNOWN SCAMMER BLAH BLAH BLAH...

LOL... You fools. Badguy23 killed you all with SILENCE! He let you all trash talk while CLA dug his own grave.... He never said a word. CLASSIC!!!! Apologize, or forever be known as a hypocrite that never left his mothers panty drawer!

FTW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQBfHw73x10

FTW!

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Originally Posted by BCR

Badguy is the proverbial canary in the coal mine with these new guys. You have to wait and see if he comes back up alive before you go thinking you can start down that shaft.

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You see this cat Badguy is a bad mother
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Shaft

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Originally Posted by son of lockman

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I have also given him the SCAMMER title and removed his ability to edit or delete posts. I will remove these restrictions if he pays up.

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This thread is so far removed from reality is should be removed from the board.

Anyone who bets with this person deserves what they get when their money is gone.

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I missed this thread, but it reads as a joke. Who is this CLA? If this is a scam its pretty sad. No way he ranks with Jasep and those others.

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Originally Posted by MachoKing

Once again all you HATERS owe Badguy23 an apology...

BLAH BLAH BLAH HE'S A KNOWN SCAMMER BLAH BLAH BLAH...

LOL... You fools. Badguy23 killed you all with SILENCE! He let you all trash talk while CLA dug his own grave.... He never said a word. CLASSIC!!!! Apologize, or forever be known as a hypocrite that never left his mothers panty drawer!

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Please stop. Do you really think anyone here is buying this shit? Just be glad this guy turned out to be a scammer, don't go trying to insult everyone's intelligence around here on top of it.

ICOPRO you gotta want it!

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Originally Posted by Charham

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Originally Posted by son of lockman

This thread is so far removed from reality is should be removed from the board.

Anyone who bets with this person deserves what they get when their money is gone.

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I missed this thread, but it reads as a joke. Who is this CLA? If this is a scam its pretty sad. No way he ranks with Jasep and those others.

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You are exactly right. Here is a more recent timeline of cla's amazing faggotry.

CLA's faggot freeroll, give or take a few details!

1st thread- 12/12/2013 "Contest proposal, (late but wtf)" http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...(late-but-wtf)

-cla attempts to randomly throw out there, in good faith obv, a bet him thread. A few laughs but do not think anyone actually took him up on this one. Maybe badguy did take him up on this one, but this thread wreaked of something fishy being up with this guy. My scamdar was beeping already.

2nd thread- 1/3/2014 "Brokeguy83" http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...365-Brokeguy83

-Apparently badguy couldn't fade cla's scam attempt, so took him up on his offer. This is cla's thread to shame "brokeguy" into paying him (lol). I think at this point people with half abrain started to realize cla was broke and scamming. He needed this money more than someone offering the types of bets he should of been, to pfa.

3rd thread- 1/9/2014 "week 2 playoff offerings" (now cla scams thread) http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-with-NFL-bets

-Incredibly with everything leading up to this thread and badguy being put out as the badguy by cla (lol), he attempts one final husle. Incredibly there are apparently enough gullible pfa members to actually believe this guy was not a fraud. Their hate for badguy most likely blinded them from seeing the reality in this situation. Who knows, but its really lol this guy still got so much interest while freerolling the whole ordeal.

In conclusion, you can see the progression of cla's freeroll attempt starting from a couple weeks before Christmas, was the new year in some way a contributor, does the guy have warrants out for his arrest in Utah, or owe back chil support, like allegedly some others on this forum do, who knows. Fact of the matter is, CLA felt this was the only reasonable way he could come up with this sum of money in roughly a months time. He obviously thinks this forum is a guppie pond, and he could just run over all these little guppies, with his high level (lol), husle.

gg cla, you pos. The real huslers sniffed you out the second you posted that thread on 12/13/2013 (see post #3)

Jesus christ how many fucking idiots are on this site...?


This is what reality is:

Badguy didn't know cla was scamming until a full 2 weeks after he was supposed to pay his bet.


ie: badguy tried to scam him without knowing he was a scammer. Let's face it. badguy got lucky. I got even luckier because I actually sent out payment to pay my bet, but was able to cancel it once I found out cla was freerolling.


badguy is no messiah. The trash man of a human can barely speak the English language.

It wasn't until SEA vs NO that we found out cla was trying to freeroll. Our first bet was PHI vs DAL. That was TWO FULL WEEKS BADGUY DID NOT PAY. SCAMMER. Any idiot who believes otherwise, I don't know what to tell you...



and as far as the last round of bets(simpdog) nobody should be paid. The original agreement was escrowing or no bet. simpdog thinks because he sent druff 500 that cla is on the hook for the bet. lol, not even close. zgiving Druff your escrow money is as safe as keeping it in your own pocket. You weren't risking shit Druff would never send that money to cla after the bet without cla also escrowing. That is just a simple fact.

I know simpdog wants to try and get "justice" because he's been used like a middle aged white guy in the Philippines here, between jasep and now cla, but the fact is no money is owed anywhere.

This is all just shit for everyone to talk about because they are bored and have no real interesting things to say.


This is all the truth. This is what's real. Get over it.

The end

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

and as far as the last round of bets(simpdog) nobody should be paid. The original agreement was escrowing or no bet. simpdog thinks because he sent druff 500 that cla is on the hook for the bet. lol, not even close. zgiving Druff your escrow money is as safe as keeping it in your own pocket. You weren't risking shit Druff would never send that money to cla after the bet without cla also escrowing. That is just a simple fact.

I know simpdog wants to try and get "justice" because he's been used like a middle aged white guy in the Philippines here, between jasep and now cla, but the fact is no money is owed anywhere.

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I asked cla to confirm via PM + on forum that our bet was valid regardless of his escrowing "issues". I also do realize me sending my escrow $ in isn't a full escrow, but it was closing in on game time so I took it in good faith that cla was attempting to escrow.

All of these Nostradamus hindsight experts can GFY. Hindsight is 20/20 pricks.

Badguy rolled cla, and as far as I can tell that debt was never paid.

Weiss - you owe cla $100 based on your latest post + Garrett's (GFY Garrett)

You bet him, owe him. Then there's no bets going forward due to the lack of escrow as you say for my bet. Weiss GFY.

So in summary,
badguy rolls CLA (free pass)
Weiss rolls CLA (free pass)
cla "rolls" simpdog, weiss. Nailed to cross like he should be.


Regardless of what anyone thinks, I still feel CLA owes me $500. If he does not pay by Monday I would like Druff or someone to release his name/location so it's public.