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09-16-2016, 01:18 PM
limitles

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Next time you want to debate me on this topic, come back with some actual knowledge and facts, because you sound like a blithering drunk right now

Good Day.

Chillax dude and lock the ammo up. First off, I admitted my Field and Scream subscription lapsed long ago. So, jump on a technical distinction between clip and magazine and file it away as a win. Multiple uses does not mean that you can blow the head off a gopher, sewer rat or a deer, so try again.

In your diatribe, you failed to list the multiple uses for this "gun". Yeah I know there are only two (if you're not in the military) but I wondered if you could invent another.

This photo of yours interests me. It's no different than photos from the middle east where the weapon is surrounded by photos of Muslim clerics and the Koran. Real tough.

http://i.imgur.com/6o32Sod.jpg

Do you wrap yourself in the flag when you hunt? If not, then why lay these weapons on such a background?

Congrats on overkill going forward whether it's in the wild or the woods.
Is your blind equipped with heat and a fridge?

Edit: Here's a shocker. How does the hunting community regard these pseudo war toys? Sure enough it's an issue.

From Field and Stream dot com

"While I own both an AR-15 and a Mini-14, I've never seen them as hunting weapons. (They aren't legal to hunt with in PA anyway). With high capacity magazines, both have the ability to put 4 to 6 times the rounds downrange of the typical both action rifle in about the same amount of time. I'd like to think that all hunters have the self-restraint and ethics shown by lawman 328 when he loads 3 rounds in the AK but...

Since I don't know, are there problems in states that allow hunting with semi-auto rifles with "hunters" pulling the "spray and pray" in the deer woods? I hear that here sometimes during the opening day of the PA rifle season whith 2 or 3 hunters blasting a dozen shots as some running deer tail. What would keep these guys from putting 20-30-40 rounds out there in a state that allows semi's?
It seems that this would hurt us in the eyes of the general public to have the opening day of rifle season in PA sound more like dawn in Fallujuh."

So yeah, I'm really plastered and talking out of my ass again.

And another thing. Spare the bullshit idea that this gun is actually designed to lessen the suffering of prey.
As long as people have hunted, the potential for missing the target and/or wounding it had it's consequences.
While hunting is not intended to produce a level playing field such hardware equates to shooting fish in a barrel
09-16-2016, 07:41 PM
GrenadaRoger

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Originally Posted by nunbeater

I don't feel like multi-quoting all the relevant passages but that instructor that gave an Uzi to a nine year old girl at a shooting range is a fucking retard. The kick from an Uzi is so powerful that you could point it at the ground and you pull the trigger and that bitch will buck up like a wild fucking horse. With an AR at least it is a rifle so you could teach a nine year old girl to shoot on that and it would be much safer because you could make sure they have proper cheek weld and that they seat the rifle butt in their shoulder. You could teach them prone and sitting shooting positions pretty safely. Even if you taught this theoretical nine year old how to shoot standing up there would be much much much less risk than handing them a fucking Uzi. The rifle itself is much easier to handle and control.

It's like I don't want to say I called it but if you would have told me that someone was teaching a nine year old to shoot with an Uzi I would have immediately said that guy is going to get shot. I'm a grown ass man and when I shot off an Uzi it took every ounce of concentration and a bit of strength to control it.

yes, the Arizona shooting range incident was really a stupid move, one that the instructor paid for with his life...

and in the "fail" video above, most of the stupid things were have undersized, weak muscled girls or kids handling a powerful gun...those people give gun ownership a bad name & I would support permanently barring their right to own firearms...

another stupid thing in the video was shooting guns in isolated areas rather than a supervised commercial range---the person there are taking one hell of a risk of being robbed of their firearms and money plus losing their lives to thieves...plus stunts like those in the video would get those persons kicked out and banned from the shooting ranges I go to, where there are range warrens closely monitoring activity and controlling all action...those stunts are safety hazards to anyone nearby
09-16-2016, 07:50 PM
MumblesBadly

Re hunting with an AR-15 using .223 ammo versus with a traditional hunting rifle (e.g. Remington 700) using 30-06 rounds: This video shows why the traditional hunting rifle round is vastly superior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeTt...ature=youtu.be
09-16-2016, 07:53 PM
sonatine

Thats so weird because gun threads on PFA never degenerate into a bunch of bullshit gunporn videos ever, wow. Way to raise the bar mumbles.
09-16-2016, 08:10 PM
GrenadaRoger

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Originally Posted by limitles

Spare the bullshit idea that this gun is actually designed to lessen the suffering of prey.
As long as people have hunted, the potential for missing the target and/or wounding it had it's consequences.
While hunting is not intended to produce a level playing field such hardware equates to shooting fish in a barrel[/B]

you are right, the hunter is intending to kill his prey....but as mentioned earlier, the law abiding hunter is after only prey that he has been authorized/licensed to kill, and he does attempt to do it as quickly and painlessly as possible to the animal--that is a not bullshit, just a fact. And all gun owners know they are responsible for any damage bullets fired from their firearms caused, intended or not...the rule is for shooters is to look downrange of his target before firing to be sure the area behind the target is also clear...

you seem to overlook what hunting is intended for: 1) sport for the hunter

and more important is 2) manage the herd stock down to fit the available habitat for the animals

many non-firearms owners are not aware of the responsibilities a person owning a firearm assumes and his legal responsibilities....for example everyone in California wishing to buy a firearm must be certified plus he must pass a safety handling test/orientation as well at time of purchase. here is the link to the state study guide for being permitted to buy a firearm:

oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/hscsg.pdf

the obligations and responsibilities of ownership are explicit here in California.
09-16-2016, 08:14 PM
MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Thats so weird because gun threads on PFA never degenerate into a bunch of bullshit gunporn videos ever, wow. Way to raise the bar mumbles.

Fans of the AR-15 love to talk about how it's so great for hunting. Sometimes a video demonstration is useful to drive home the silliness of that argument. Unless, of course, they're talking about hunting squirrels or muskrats. Like 'tough guys' do. Because that yahoo in the first vid featuring the pig hunt plunked off round after round with that AR with the .223 ammo. If he'd had a Remington 700... One shot kills if he any skill.

:lol2

On the other hand, if the AR is heavily modified... That's another story.
09-16-2016, 08:56 PM
limitles

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

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Originally Posted by limitles

Spare the bullshit idea that this gun is actually designed to lessen the suffering of prey.
As long as people have hunted, the potential for missing the target and/or wounding it had it's consequences.
While hunting is not intended to produce a level playing field such hardware equates to shooting fish in a barrel[/B]

you are right, the hunter is intending to kill his prey....but as mentioned earlier, the law abiding hunter is after only prey that he has been authorized/licensed to kill, and he does attempt to do it as quickly and painlessly as possible to the animal--that is a not bullshit, just a fact. And all gun owners know they are responsible for any damage bullets fired from their firearms caused, intended or not...the rule is for shooters is to look downrange of you target before firing to be sure that area is clear...

you seem to overlook what hunting is intended for: 1) sport for the hunter

and more important is 2) manage the herd stock down to fit the available habitat for the animals

So what level of sport do you attribute to multiple rounds being deployed in seconds? If it's sport then it should involve a sporting chance for the unwilling participant. Marksmanship has always been a skill that is hard to come by. Surely these semi automatics improve your kill rate without the experience normally required. Never mind the advanced scopes and the sounds of men buggering that by chance also tricks the prey.
09-16-2016, 09:47 PM
MumblesBadly

As a counter to the "gun porn" vids I posted in this thread, check this short but gripping recent doc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpCqBonOFw&feature=youtu.be
09-16-2016, 09:55 PM
GrenadaRoger

unwilling participant? my good man, i am afraid the point about overpopulating/thinning the herd is not registering with you...like it or not, some of the animals must be eliminated to permit the survival of the remaining on the habitat set aside for them...so it's either allow sport hunting and collect fees that fund the operation of the forestry service to maintain habitat/manage wildlife OR pay professionals to round up and euthanize a number of the animals...grim but easy choice.

and the animals do have a chance, albeit it is almost always only to elude the hunter; prey killing the hunter is rare

and btw, i do not believe in hunting, although i see nothing wrong with it if done within the rules administered by the fish & game agencies...
09-16-2016, 10:42 PM
limitles

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

unwilling participant? my good man, i am afraid the point about overpopulating/thinning the herd is not registering with you...like it or not, some of the animals must be eliminated to permit the survival of the remaining on the habitat set aside for them...so it's either allow sport hunting and collect fees that fund the operation of the forestry service to maintain habitat/manage wildlife OR pay professionals to round up and euthanize a number of the animals...grim but easy choice.

and the animals do have a chance, albeit it is almost always only to elude the hunter; prey killing the hunter is rare

and btw, i do not believe in hunting, although i see nothing wrong with it if done within the rules administered by the fish & game agencies...

I am not anti hunting. You say sport is the main motivation followed by ecological influences? Most people don't grasp the ecological changes that have affected wildlife or we wouldn't have our present situation, Today's over population problems are a result of man's encroachment on habitats in which natural predators are diminished.

And yeah I'm fine with hunting and all the good it contributes etc, but allowing untold numbers of Rambo wannabes on the scene is concerning

and on behalf of my cloven friends I will restate they are not willing participants.
And if a hunter is gored to death by a buck Iwould say well done sir, bon appetit
09-17-2016, 04:40 AM
MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by limitles

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

unwilling participant? my good man, i am afraid the point about overpopulating/thinning the herd is not registering with you...like it or not, some of the animals must be eliminated to permit the survival of the remaining on the habitat set aside for them...so it's either allow sport hunting and collect fees that fund the operation of the forestry service to maintain habitat/manage wildlife OR pay professionals to round up and euthanize a number of the animals...grim but easy choice.

and the animals do have a chance, albeit it is almost always only to elude the hunter; prey killing the hunter is rare

and btw, i do not believe in hunting, although i see nothing wrong with it if done within the rules administered by the fish & game agencies...

I am not anti hunting. You say sport is the main motivation followed by ecological influences? Most people don't grasp the ecological changes that have affected wildlife or we wouldn't have our present situation, Today's over population problems are a result of man's encroachment on habitats in which natural predators are diminished.

And yeah I'm fine with hunting and all the good it contributes etc, but allowing untold numbers of Rambo wannabes on the scene is concerning

and on behalf of my cloven friends I will restate they are not willing participants.
And if a hunter is gored to death by a buck Iwould say well done sir, bon appetit

Are you saying that deer were "willing participants" in the ecological regime in North America that was once had wolves as important apex predators? That they willingly allowed themselves to be on the menu of the top predators in the environment before humans arrived?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9-FO-1RYUQ&feature=youtu.be
09-17-2016, 12:00 PM
tommyt

I use an AR-15 to hunt coyotes on our farm about 4 times a year, and using any other kind of rifle (bolt action or single shot) is a pain in the ass.
09-17-2016, 12:55 PM
limitles

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by limitles

I am not anti hunting. You say sport is the main motivation followed by ecological influences? Most people don't grasp the ecological changes that have affected wildlife or we wouldn't have our present situation, Today's over population problems are a result of man's encroachment on habitats in which natural predators are diminished.

And yeah I'm fine with hunting and all the good it contributes etc, but allowing untold numbers of Rambo wannabes on the scene is concerning

and on behalf of my cloven friends I will restate they are not willing participants.
And if a hunter is gored to death by a buck Iwould say well done sir, bon appetit

Are you saying that deer were "willing participants" in the ecological regime in North America that was once had wolves as important apex predators? That they willingly allowed themselves to be on the menu of the top predators in the environment before humans arrived?

Not sure if you are being sarcastic. I won't defend this point unless your question was sincere.

NPR produced a program about the reintroduction of the Grey Wolf population in Yellowstone Park. It's well worth the listen.

This is a small part of the transcript.

" MCINTYRE: And so the teacher and the kids join me - there are only a few of them, it was a very small school. But before I could say anything, one of the kindergarten boys started to talk, and this is what he said - I know the man that shot that famous wolf. And, of course, he was talking about the '06 Female; everyone was talking about her. And I understand how young boys are. I wanted to move on. I wanted to get into my talk. But before I could do that, the same boy opened his mouth, and he said, my dad just bought a license to kill a wolf. And once again, man, what can you say to that? Wolf hunting is legal, and I just didn't know how to handle the situation. And I was kind of getting mad at myself for being at the mercy of this 5-year-old boy, but he had one more thing to say. And I was thinking to myself, oh, man, I might as well just go home. I can't deal with this. It's too hard. So after saying I know the man that shot that famous wolf, my daddy just bought a license to kill a wolf, this was his next statement - but I hope he doesn't. He hopes that his dad doesn't kill that wolf that he has the license for. So I like to think of that as being one of the most important parts of the legacy of the '06 Female."

This is a link to that program

http://www.npr.org/2014/05/23/314974039/06-female
09-17-2016, 03:09 PM
MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by limitles

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

Are you saying that deer were "willing participants" in the ecological regime in North America that was once had wolves as important apex predators? That they willingly allowed themselves to be on the menu of the top predators in the environment before humans arrived?

Not sure if you are being sarcastic. I won't defend this point unless your question was sincere.

NPR produced a program about the reintroduction of the Grey Wolf population in Yellowstone Park. It's well worth the listen.

This is a small part of the transcript.

" MCINTYRE: And so the teacher and the kids join me - there are only a few of them, it was a very small school. But before I could say anything, one of the kindergarten boys started to talk, and this is what he said - I know the man that shot that famous wolf. And, of course, he was talking about the '06 Female; everyone was talking about her. And I understand how young boys are. I wanted to move on. I wanted to get into my talk. But before I could do that, the same boy opened his mouth, and he said, my dad just bought a license to kill a wolf. And once again, man, what can you say to that? Wolf hunting is legal, and I just didn't know how to handle the situation. And I was kind of getting mad at myself for being at the mercy of this 5-year-old boy, but he had one more thing to say. And I was thinking to myself, oh, man, I might as well just go home. I can't deal with this. It's too hard. So after saying I know the man that shot that famous wolf, my daddy just bought a license to kill a wolf, this was his next statement - but I hope he doesn't. He hopes that his dad doesn't kill that wolf that he has the license for. So I like to think of that as being one of the most important parts of the legacy of the '06 Female."

This is a link to that program

http://www.npr.org/2014/05/23/314974039/06-female

I've seen that program. The reintro of wolves there rescued the habitat from those voracious long-legged vermin.

Re my question: It wasn't meant to be sarcastic. Your comment implied that you believed that the ecological relationship that deer had with the pre-human apex predator was somehow "willing". Perhaps some sort of noble nature-based symbiosys willingly agreed to by the predatory and prey species.
09-17-2016, 03:30 PM
limitles

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by limitles

Not sure if you are being sarcastic. I won't defend this point unless your question was sincere.

NPR produced a program about the reintroduction of the Grey Wolf population in Yellowstone Park. It's well worth the listen.

This is a small part of the transcript.

" MCINTYRE: And so the teacher and the kids join me - there are only a few of them, it was a very small school. But before I could say anything, one of the kindergarten boys started to talk, and this is what he said - I know the man that shot that famous wolf. And, of course, he was talking about the '06 Female; everyone was talking about her. And I understand how young boys are. I wanted to move on. I wanted to get into my talk. But before I could do that, the same boy opened his mouth, and he said, my dad just bought a license to kill a wolf. And once again, man, what can you say to that? Wolf hunting is legal, and I just didn't know how to handle the situation. And I was kind of getting mad at myself for being at the mercy of this 5-year-old boy, but he had one more thing to say. And I was thinking to myself, oh, man, I might as well just go home. I can't deal with this. It's too hard. So after saying I know the man that shot that famous wolf, my daddy just bought a license to kill a wolf, this was his next statement - but I hope he doesn't. He hopes that his dad doesn't kill that wolf that he has the license for. So I like to think of that as being one of the most important parts of the legacy of the '06 Female."

This is a link to that program

http://www.npr.org/2014/05/23/314974039/06-female

I've seen that program. The reintro of wolves there rescued the habitat from those voracious long-legged vermin.

Re my question: It wasn't meant to be sarcastic. Your comment implied that you believed that the ecological relationship that deer had with the pre-human apex predator was somehow "willing". Perhaps some sort of noble nature-based symbiosys willingly agreed to by the predatory and prey species.

If you've seen that program you're one up on the rest of us as it is an audio program.

The "unwilling" statement was not meant to be literal. I'm not a new age Doolittle.
I simply meant that the decisions made by the other side, (people/governments) which allow weapons designed to increase the potential kill rate of a hunter, may make not bode well for those who can't vote. And why does the poor sportsman need an even greater advantage than that which is already available?
09-17-2016, 03:35 PM
sonatine

Mumbles, if one of your victims breaks out of her plastic handcuffs and escapes the cabin of your truck, would you go with a heavy round to put her down fast before she could reach safety or would you use a smaller, subsonic round to avoid attention and damage as little meat as possible?
09-17-2016, 07:51 PM
Gordman

Id like to take this moment to personally thank mumbles (especially), and Limitless for ruining yet another thread by bombarding it with your mindless bullshit. Congratulations.
09-17-2016, 08:00 PM
sonatine

Mumbles would like to thank God, the Academy, and the police for not really caring about the portable butcher shop he converted his truck camper into because he only targets black prostitutes.
09-17-2016, 08:47 PM
Gordman

Nice tilt Mumbletard

Someday you will realize nobody wants you in any threads...commenting...

EVER

That someday evidently won't be for a long time because you're too braindead to get it.

You could fuck up your own little wet dream by rambling incoherent bullshit

Kill yourself.
09-17-2016, 09:15 PM
MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by limitles

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

I've seen that program. The reintro of wolves there rescued the habitat from those voracious long-legged vermin.

Re my question: It wasn't meant to be sarcastic. Your comment implied that you believed that the ecological relationship that deer had with the pre-human apex predator was somehow "willing". Perhaps some sort of noble nature-based symbiosys willingly agreed to by the predatory and prey species.

If you've seen that program you're one up on the rest of us as it is an audio program.

I goofed. Here is the program I "saw" about the reintroduction of woves to Yellowstone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q&feature=youtu.be

The "unwilling" statement was not meant to be literal. I'm not a new age Doolittle.
I simply meant that the decisions made by the other side, (people/governments) which allow weapons designed to increase the potential kill rate of a hunter, may make not bode well for those who can't vote. And why does the poor sportsman need an even greater advantage than that which is already available?

Because the conservation and hunting restriction laws we now have in the US keep hunters from critically endangering the overall well-being of game species. And most "sportsman" who use AR-15s or similar guns aren't using them to willy-nilly gun down Bambi and Kin in violation of bag limit. The rapid fire ease of such weapons more often used to put the smack down on "pest" species, such as coyotes and feral hogs. Speaking of which...

(Turn your delicate eyes away, Tine. Time to show the real utility of these types of weapons for "hunting".)

Warning! This is a video of feral hog hunting from a helicopter. And shows "kill" shots. If such things are disturbing to you, don't watch it. But it's a useful demo of why the semi-auto, low recoil, and high mag count of AR-15 type rifles are popular for hunting certain types of game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFdCPbcItuM&feature=youtu.be

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