Two very different Rage Against the Machine concert videos

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

Here's a serious question: Since when did good music become a fact, and not a matter of opinion?

Who the fuck is anyone to tell anyone what is "good" and what's not?


Not referring to the OP or anything, just a general question I have from the comments in this thread

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Talent can always be recognized as talent. I don't like Rap, but common sense tells me that Ice Cube is better than Little Wayne. I don't like Country, but could tell you with near certainty that Garth Brooks is better than Billy Ray Cyrus.

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

Here's a serious question: Since when did good music become a fact, and not a matter of opinion?

Who the fuck is anyone to tell anyone what is "good" and what's not?


Not referring to the OP or anything, just a general question I have from the comments in this thread

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Music is of course subjective. Logical comparisons can be done based on the perceived talent of the artist and their impact on music in general.

Then there are issues of genre. You could point me towards the most talented, most influential country music star ever, and I wouldn't really like any of their songs. Similarly, I respect Jazz as a genre, but I never actually listen to Jazz music.

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I obviously know the answer to my own question. It was more of an open question to STP "speaking the truth" without directly questioning HIM.

These new rules have me all conscious of how I debate on here, and I stopped smoking weed three days ago, so I am on a rampage...

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Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

Here's a serious question: Since when did good music become a fact, and not a matter of opinion?

Who the fuck is anyone to tell anyone what is "good" and what's not?


Not referring to the OP or anything, just a general question I have from the comments in this thread

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Talent can always be recognized as talent. I don't like Rap, but common sense tells me that Ice Cube is better than Little Wayne. I don't like Country, but could tell you with near certainty that Garth Brooks is better than Billy Ray Cyrus.

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But again, isn't that just an opinion? I bet I could find millions of people who would disagree with you. I don't think it would make either of you correct. Some people can rap with deep meaning and crazy rhyme schemes, and some people are just rapping simple words together, but I don't know how you judge who is "more talented"

Some people just like the sound of a certain voice, or a certain beat. Wouldn't that be included in talent?

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Originally Posted by Krypt

IM ONLY 19 SO GIMME A BREAK

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Don't worry. As you mature your music tastes and appreciation will also mature.

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Originally Posted by Krypt

RATM has always been one of my favorite bands...

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That doesn't surprise me at all. RATM band members have made millions of dollars from millions of naive young fans.

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Originally Posted by Krypt

Sixtoedpete that quote above ranks as one of the dumbest things i've ever read in 2012.

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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but I'm encouraged that you're a teenager who actually reads.

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Originally Posted by Krypt

I looked at some of your previous posts and it quickly becomes apparent that you are simply a dimwit at best.

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How quickly? Did you time this cognitive exercise?

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Originally Posted by Krypt

Just admit you dont like RATM because their message is anti-corporate and leftist in nature.

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Sorry but you're wrong. Some of Bruce Springsteen's music conveys an anti-establishment message but I believe he is very talented.

I just don't think RATM is a good band.

I will admit that their socialist, anti-capitalist and spit-on-America message is laughably absurd and hypocritical. RATM is a multi-million dollar enterprise that partners with some of the largest corporations in the music industry. RATM is corporate America! Eventually you will grasp this.

Naive teenagers like you keep buying RATM/Che T-shirts, concert tickets and music while the RATM band members laugh at you as they sip champagne poolside.

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Originally Posted by Krypt

Your obviously a right-wing nut racist/facist scum of the earth faggot who lives in an alternative dimension.

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My my....and Druff just cleaned up this thread.

Don't become so upset. In my earlier posts I was just being honest and truthful about an overrated band.

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser

Talent can always be recognized as talent. I don't like Rap, but common sense tells me that Ice Cube is better than Little Wayne. I don't like Country, but could tell you with near certainty that Garth Brooks is better than Billy Ray Cyrus.

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But again, isn't that just an opinion? I bet I could find millions of people who would disagree with you. I don't think it would make either of you correct. Some people can rap with deep meaning and crazy rhyme schemes, and some people are just rapping simple words together, but I don't know how you judge who is "more talented"

Some people just like the sound of a certain voice, or a certain beat. Wouldn't that be included in talent?

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Not IMO. There are plenty of acts you or I have probably never heard of in the Rock and Roll HOF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Fame_inductees

We've all heard of someone like Nickelback(lol) or Sum 41(bigger lol), but I don't think you'll be seeing them there any time soon because it is generally accepted that they lack the talent to be there. Popular? Yes. Talented? No. There will always be debates, but from my perspective, talent is always recognizable.

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Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

But again, isn't that just an opinion? I bet I could find millions of people who would disagree with you. I don't think it would make either of you correct. Some people can rap with deep meaning and crazy rhyme schemes, and some people are just rapping simple words together, but I don't know how you judge who is "more talented"

Some people just like the sound of a certain voice, or a certain beat. Wouldn't that be included in talent?

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Not IMO. There are plenty of acts you or I have probably never heard of in the Rock and Roll HOF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Fame_inductees

We've all heard of someone like Nickelback(lol) or Sum 41(bigger lol), but I don't think you'll be seeing them there any time soon because it is generally accepted that they lack the talent to be there. Popular? Yes. Talented? No. There will always be debates, but from my perspective, talent is always recognizable.

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Alright, I can see what you're saying there. I didn't even think to separate the meaning of popular and talented. I'd imagine the HOF is a good starting point for a measuring stick of who's talented.

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Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide

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Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser

Not IMO. There are plenty of acts you or I have probably never heard of in the Rock and Roll HOF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Fame_inductees

We've all heard of someone like Nickelback(lol) or Sum 41(bigger lol), but I don't think you'll be seeing them there any time soon because it is generally accepted that they lack the talent to be there. Popular? Yes. Talented? No. There will always be debates, but from my perspective, talent is always recognizable.

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Alright, I can see what you're saying there. I didn't even think to separate the meaning of popular and talented. I'd imagine the HOF is a good starting point for a measuring stick of who's talented.

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Starting point would probably be a good way to put it as there are always gonna be deserving musicians left out and overrated artists let in, but I think they do a pretty good job.